Priests and ships.

[irishron]

Odds are I missed it someplace when I was searching, how can I make it so priests cannont board ships?

[Ishan]

descr_cursor_actions.txt file is one u are looking for. Thats is the only way believe me Sir ron.

I think go under the term

selected family
{
	over own
	{

In it just add change this

priest						S  (S) S (S)

to this:-

priest							Na Na				tooltip characters_cannot_go_on_sea

And check it out if it works for you.
This should work for Players priest but for AI i think we need to dive in more deeper but it's in this file only.
Gigantus can nail this it i'm sure.

[Taiji]

Yeah, the AI doesn't use a mouse, so obviously that will only affect the player.

I don't know any way to restrict agents' movements with regards ships, I suspect it isn't possible

One problem to consider is that they can be combined with armies.

[Azim]

Archaon has done something similar with descr_cursor_actions.txt. He removed the ability for certain factions to make/break alliances with one another. The AI factions are affected as well.

[Taiji]

Archaon has done something similar with descr_cursor_actions.txt. He removed the ability for certain factions to make/break alliances with one another. The AI factions are affected as well.

No, he just claimed this was the case, they aren't actually. It's extremely easy to test, but somehow he didn't test it properly.

I've already complained to him about continuing to mislead people so long after others have done him the favor of proving the work to be false.

Ask him yourself if you need some assurance.

[Ishan]

Taiji what do you think about the AI priest sea faring and stuff coz i'm lost here. There gotta be some file that deals with it.

[Taiji]

I suspect it just isn't possible, Ishan

To prevent it for the player it may work to restrict combining with armies too, but that's only half the question answered.

[irishron]

Thank you for the feedback. Gigantus has suggested what Ishan did. I can't see how cursor actions would affect it except the ability to select them, especially ai.

I was thinking more along the lines of the desr_characters.txt of a command that is not listed.

Food for thought as to why. I have run into priests causing ctds while on ships. The only thing that I can see trigger it is the priest becoming a heretic. I have seen the ai have trouble with this on land in one instance.

[Ishan]

@Irishron
Sir Ron why the CTD in the first place i.e. boarding ships. Has anyone encountered this problem?

[Taiji]

Sounds like having an agent from another faction onboard your ship causes the game to sink.

I don't know the first thing about how to do it but I'd totally reduce the chances of a priest going heretic outside of circumstances that cause CTDs.

So no ambient chance of becoming heretic, have it only happen when attempting to destroy a heretic.

I notice that in settlements the problem is avoided by the engine automatically ousting heretics that occur amongst garrisoned priests.

A shame they are not forced to 'walk the plank' for their heresies at sea...

edit:

I suppose it could be these 2 settings from campaign_db:

<convert_to_heretic_base_modifier float="0.0"/>
<convert_to_heretic_unorthodox_modifier float="0.0"/>

[irishron]

There have been others reporting the same thing so I know senility and insanity haven't totally kicked in yet.

I don't put priests on ships personally.

I have had the ai do it twice to me. One was Sicily and one England so it's not faction but maybe Catholic. I have not found an error in the syslog pointing to a trait or ancillary trigger but I could replicate it.

I'll try your idea, Taiji. Thank you.

[Taiji]

You're welcome but I'm really not sure if I've pointed out the right settings to adjust.

I think it's going to be useful for every mod with priests and boats, including DLV, so please let us know if you discover the answer

[irishron]

I will. The knowledge is for all, not just me.

[irishron]

I changed the campaign_ai>xml to Taiji's figures and immediate impact is a heretic twice as fast but I have not got one a on a ship yet.

Keep you posted.

[Taiji]

It suggests the base chance is reduced by the modifier.

Perhaps try <convert_to_heretic_base_modifier float="100.0"/>

[irishron]

It suggests the base chance is reduced by the modifier.

Perhaps try <convert_to_heretic_base_modifier float="100.0"/>

Did that and the first priest going heretic was about twice as long as when the float = 10.
I still have not got one on a ship to find out.

[REDrake]

Irishron, I am also fighting that bug right now. I just added HeresyImmunity effects to several traits. Especially for those traits gained by fighting heretics. Also, I added not AtSea condition to triggers when it comes to priest becoming heretics.

[irishron]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[Squid]

Similar to what's suggested above create a trait that grants heresy immunity and assign it when a priest boards a ship and remove it when the priest debarks from the ship.

Spoiler for anti heresy trait and triggers: 

Trait Code:

;------------------------------------------
Trait AntiHeresyTrait
    Characters priest
    Hidden

    Level Cant_Be_Heretic
        Description Cant_Be_Heretic_desc
        EffectsDescription Cant_Be_Heretic_effects_desc
        Threshold  1 

        Effect HeresyImmunity  1

Triggers Code:

Trigger ImmuneToHeresyAtSea
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition AgentType = priest
           and AtSea
           and Trait AntiHeresyTrait = 0

    Affects AntiHereseyTrait  1  Chance  100 

Trigger ImmuneToHeresyAtSeaCancelled
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition AgentType = priest
           and not AtSea
           and Trait AntiHeresyTrait = 1

    Affects AntiHereseyTrait -1  Chance  100

Haven't tried it but this should protect all priests at sea from becoming heretics, if its a problem with other character types adjust the trait/triggers accordingly. I'd make it the first trigger in EDCT so it fires before any other trigger.

[Gigantus]

That sounds like a great idea. Hopefully that will fix it.