Stand Up For Great Britain!

[the Black Prince]

Subject: Food for thought!!!


Story in a National Newspaper

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be Gt Britain if we
continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other
countries that came to live in Britain because it is the Country of
Choice??????

Think about it .

All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I
celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we can
no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings. It's
not Christmas holiday, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this
winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday? We've gone so far
the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now
being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that.
This says it all!

This is an editorial written by an
British citizen, published in a
National newspaper He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

IMMIGRANTS,
NOT BRITS MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we
are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist
attacks on the 7th of the 7th we have experienced a surge in patriotism
by the majority of Brits. However, the disgust about the attacks had
barely settled when the "politically correct! " crowd began complaining
about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.



I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who
is seeking a better life by coming to Britain, Our population is almost
entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. (The Danes, Romans ect.)
However, thereare a few things that those who have recently come to our
country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of
the Brits being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our
sovereignty and our national identity. As Britain's we have our own
culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This
culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and
victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Indian, Urdu, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian,
or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part
of our society, learn the language!



"Land of Hope & Glory" is our motto. This is not some Christian, right
wing, political slogan We adopted this motto because Christian men and
women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of
our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another
part of the world as your new home, because God is part
of our culture.


If the 'Union Jack' flag offends you, or you don't like our QUEEN, then
you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet We
are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. This is
OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our Laws give every citizen
the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity
to do so! But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about
our flag, our lifestyle our government, or our way of life, I highly
encourage you take advantage of one other great BRITISH freedom,
THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.


It is Time for Gt. Britain to Speak up
If you agree -- pass this along;
if you don't agree -- delete it!
anon..
AMEN

I think if we all keep passing this to our friends
it will also, sooner or later
get back to the complainers, lets all try,
please.

[eurolord]

Hi,

Agreed 1000%.

Eurolord

[KingOfTheIsles]

Rubbish. Most of the time these examples of "political correctness" are distorted or totally fabricated by the press. It is not generally the immigrants (the unfortunate victims of the author's vitriol) that ask for any changes to be effected in any case, so it's just beating up strawmen.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Any time I have ever asked a person of non-european background about seeing Christmas decorations etc in Canada I get the same answer: They don't care one way or another! I imagine the ones doing most of the complaining don't even come from an immigrant background.

[MoROmeTe]

Should a contry and its let's say native inhabitans adapt to the flow of emigrants or should the emigrants adapt to the country?

I think the first option is more legit. But the tone of that editorial is a little to over the top, tBP...

[Big War Bird]

TBP, you are surely a right wing religious zealot racist bigot to even possibly consider that peice of propaganda trash worth reading.

PS you are probably a raging homophobe too i'll bet!

[A Spartan Soldier]

TBP, you are surely a right wing religious zealot racist bigot to even possibly consider that peice of propaganda trash worth reading.

PS you are probably a raging homophobe too i'll bet!

Big War Bird, why are you replying to something that doesnt concern you, since you dont even live there. You are the type of person that makes others believe all Americans are jack-asses.

Americans dont really have this problem, everyone celebrates their own holiday and i never heard of a foreigner complain. We still havent lost our cultural identity even tho we are one of the most diverse country in the world.

[Farnan]

Big War Bird, why are you replying to something that doesnt concern you, since you dont even live there. You are the type of person that makes others believe all Americans are jack-asses.

Why don't you only reply to something that concerns you and stay out of American political threads -- Its because you like BWB have an opinion and a right to state it. Also, BWB was obviously being sarcastic.

[A Spartan Soldier]

Why don't you only reply to something that concerns you and stay out of American political threads -- Its because you like BWB have an opinion and a right to state it. Also, BWB was obviously being sarcastic.

?? First off this topic doesnt concern him or me. I just think who should be a little more respectful of people, instead of calling people names without really knowing them.

[Big War Bird]

Big War Bird, why are you replying to something that doesnt concern you, since you dont even live there. You are the type of person that makes others believe all Americans are jack-asses.

Well the joke is on you, I empathize with much of the sentiment expressed in that article, could have just as easily been lifted from an american op-ed ( I sort of expect that it was actually) But if you have read a number of my posts I understand very well the social stress that immigration can put on a society.

I also know that tBP is gay, or so he claims.

[EeSang]

Big War Bird, why are you replying to something that doesnt concern you, since you dont even live there. You are the type of person that makes others believe all Americans are jack-asses.

Americans dont really have this problem, everyone celebrates their own holiday and i never heard of a foreigner complain. We still havent lost our cultural identity even tho we are one of the most diverse country in the world.

It was a sarcastic remark, as TBP is a widely known homosexual.

[imb39]

It was a sarcastic remark, as TBP is a widely known homosexual.

It's probably written down in some MI5 file...

[A Spartan Soldier]

I apologize war bird, kind of got mad, i just am in a bad mood because i lost a finger and had to take it out on someone. Anyways, i miss read the post, so i apologize.

[the Black Prince]

ME??? a HOMOPHOBE?????


ROFL!!!!!!!!!!
what hole have you been hiding under??? i'm the forums most openly gay member!

i'm also centrist liberal, pagan/druidist as well as gay!


i just believe we should stand up for our country, stand up for being british, stand up for our culture.
people who come here came here by choice because they liked our country. once they're here they shouldn't be changing our country to suit them, they should be intergrating with out society, not remaining in isolated little groups and communities complaining about the intpolerance they recieve when they make no attempt to adapt and intergrate into britsh culture and way of life


on another note, i never thought i'd have to prove my sexuality here of all places but anyway
www.keelelgbt.co.uk
my IP address places me at Keele University. on the committee section of that website you'll find pics of me, including ones posted here in the say cheese thread. on the photos section, you'll find pics of me with one of my ex's which have also been posted here.
the fact that the website is of the keele lgbt society is conclusive i believe. i should know. i designed the site, as LGBT Publicity officer.

email publicity@keelelgbt.co.uk and i guarantee it'll be me who replies...

[Scar Face]

TBP, you are surely a right wing religious zealot racist bigot to even possibly consider that peice of propaganda trash worth reading.

PS you are probably a raging homophobe too i'll bet!

Calm down. He's right every contry should stop changing holidays and stuff beause other cultures who came here are angry. You choose this nation so **** off. I'm not saying have relgious schools though because many people aren't religious even those who aren't immigrants so that's stupid. But it should be the Chrismast holidays. If you don't celebrate christmas then ignore and **** off! Your a fool for thinking anyone who wants to preserve THERE CULTURE rather then surrender to OTHER CULTURES are racist. (Surrender I mean change and be all oops did I offend you by eating meat?!) I agree with him

P.S never been to Great Britain but I plan to return to my home contry (I.e where my ancestors came from) Leave my bastard family In Canada ! XD

[Tom Paine]

Calm down. He's right every contry should stop changing holidays and stuff beause other cultures who came here are angry. You choose this nation so **** off. I'm not saying have relgious schools though because many people aren't religious even those who aren't immigrants so that's stupid. But it should be the Chrismast holidays. If you don't celebrate christmas then ignore and **** off! Your a fool for thinking anyone who wants to preserve THERE CULTURE rather then surrender to OTHER CULTURES are racist. (Surrender I mean change and be all oops did I offend you by eating meat?!) I agree with him

Yes, but is it really our culture to call them the Christmas holidays? That's a new culture on me, personally...
Plus of course, our culture is one of tolerance, and all this "**** off" seems, well, contrary to that culture, especially when its our own people who are changing the names not foreigners or immgrants... look at who's really to blame.
But we're agreed on religious schools, especially state funded ones...
And of course, we aren't surrendering to other cultures because otherwise it'd be called something like "Hannukah holidays", we're just not beng rampantly Christian... which isn't even part of our culture anyway, to be honest; our realy culture is that of an empire, which includes not pushing a religion on people who don't want it.

Finally, I'm a Brit and have lived here all my life, so anyone who wants to criticise my Britishness can go to hell. And yes my family is British, maternally for many centuries, paternally for a couple of them.

[Scar Face]

Yes, but is it really our culture to call them the Christmas holidays? That's a new culture on me, personally...
Plus of course, our culture is one of tolerance, and all this "**** off" seems, well, contrary to that culture, especially when its our own people who are changing the names not foreigners or immgrants... look at who's really to blame.
But we're agreed on religious schools, especially state funded ones...

It isn't our culture. It's part of it. Our ''culture'' belives In santa and Christanity (not Christain but I still respect there holidays out of tradition). From what I hear you changed it to winter holidays so the non christains wouldn't be offended but that's retarted. They aren't tolerating OUR culture if they can't even handle a name of a holiday. Ok so you don't celebrate it calm down and enjoy your holiday. He also said the union jack is being changed (or others want it to be) what is it excactly? What does it symbolis? And why would it anger them?

[Tom Paine]

It isn't our culture. It's part of it. Our ''culture'' belives In santa and Christanity (not Christain but I still respect there holidays out of tradition). From what I hear you changed it to winter holidays so the non christains wouldn't be offended but that's retarted. They aren't tolerating OUR culture if they can't even handle a name of a holiday. Ok so you don't celebrate it calm down and enjoy your holiday. He also said the union jack is being changed (or others want it to be) what is it excactly? What does it symbolis? And why would it anger them?

Santa Claus isn't our tradition, its a German one in origin I think (possibly esewhere, but certianly not British); Christianity? May be the state religion, but given fdalling church attendance and falling numbers of religious people.
Winter Holidays? Sounds like a tabloid headline, and by that I mean made-up attempts at discrediting with half-hearted effort.
Union Jack is the one thing it makes sense to change... to represent the last nation in the union, ie Wales.... And of course, where diod you hear it was being changed, that's another new one on me...

[imb39]

Rubbish. Most of the time these examples of "political correctness" are distorted or totally fabricated by the press. It is not generally the immigrants (the unfortunate victims of the author's vitriol) that ask for any changes to be effected in any case, so it's just beating up strawmen.

I fully agree with this. The press have been shocking in their portrayal of a lot of stories. It echoes a lot of the stories released about the EU a few years ago. Blatant lies.

However, there are situations in which the essence of being British is being changed to quickly in an attempt to mollify the predicted problems of minorities. I say predicted problems because I don't think many, if any, actually complain and this problem is a result of misguided political correctness. Here's something I wrote yesterday (and I hate quoting myself, very arrogant...)

I think the problem has been the speed of immigration and the fact that there are no mechanisms for integrating different cultures within our own. Also the indiginous culture should be promoted as the norm rather than apologised for. If one group finds something that is generally harmless (say Christmas) offensive it is upto them to reconcile that rather than for traditions to be altered. Having said that, if I lived in Spain, I would probably campaign against what I consider animal cruelty. There again, I don't plan on living in Spain. A mass of contradictions...

It sums up my position on the matter.
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Also, as Britain has a proud tradition of free speech, I have never taken offense when someone from another country has commented about Britain. In fact I want to hear other people's opinions. I might not agree with them, if so I shall say so.

[Tom Paine]

Interesting isn’t it, really. I love the line about freedom to speak up then freedom to leave; typical. Sorry, but I can’t really agree with this, simply because its so hypocritical; offence at things being nonChristian? The majority speak English as a first language so everyone should all the time? We have to have the Queen and patriotism because… ermm… oh yes, they’re traditional. I mean, the Queen? I’m British and a republican, for crying aloud. And finally, since when was our motto “Land of Hope and Glory”? A secondary national anthem, maybe. A motto? No, that’d be “Dieu et mon droit”… unless the UK has a motto completely different from that of its monarch…

Just my opinion of course.