Can if's exist outside of monitors?

[Alpha Zeke]

Topic title is question
Couldnt find this in a search anywhere, so, any answers and hopefully detailed explanations?

For example i mean could this happen
if so and so
command
end if

instead of
monitor
if
commmand
end if
end monitor

[Ishan]

Do you even try this kinda stuff before making a thread about it?
Coz seriously i think u should try it first in game thats the only way u can learn. For me it's only the hard way i can always memorize it.


Anyways the answer to your question is NO. It has to be:-

monitor_..........
script........
if
script2.....
end_monitor

[Alpha Zeke]

Try it? Yes. About 50 times. SO many different combinations of things >.<
But thank you

[Ishan]

U truly are dude.

[gracul]

Of course they can, but i do not see any reason to do so.
The campaign script is made in such a way, that everything outside a "monitor_" is executed on script start. So if you for example have an if outside any monitor_ then the if will get checked before any monitors are loaded, and the game will either do or do not the thing inside the if. The only thing is - since you can only test a few conditions with an if, it just doesn't make any sense to actually use it.
So to sum up, everything inside monitor_ is caught by the magical "wait_monitors" at the end of the script. Anything outside, is executed instantly at script start and NEVER again (since the if can either return true or false).

[Gigantus]

I have used commands outside monitors, never conditions. Somehow it wouldn't make sense, difficult to explain, but I think gracul's explanation makes the most sense.

[Alpha Zeke]

Edit: Also, about things firing outside monitors. If you declare a counter then or set_counter, it will only be set once if outside a monitor?
set_counter ftt 1
Alone like that, would only be used once?

Hmm. Ok then, another question about it.

monitor_event CharacterComesOfAge AgentType = princess
	and FactionType sicily
	and not FactionIsLocal
	if I_CompareCounter ftt = 0
		terminate_monitor
	end_if

	historic_event princess_sicily

end_monitor

Would that terminate the monitor before the historic event happen, or would the historic event happen once and then the monitor would never fire again? (Assuming ftt = 0)

[konny]

Would that terminate the monitor before the historic event happen, or would the historic event happen once and then the monitor would never fire again? (Assuming ftt = 0)

Usually all files a parsed from top to bottom. This is very important, for example, with traits because the triggers are executed in the order they are listed in the file:

;--------------------------------
Trigger One
WhenToTest [something]

Condition [whatever]
       and Trait TraitA = 0
       and Trait TraitB = 0

Affects TraitA 1 Chance 50
;--------------------------------
Trigger Two
WhenToTest [something]

Condition Trait TraitA = 0

Affects TraitB 1 Chance 100

This would work in the way that each character who neither has TraitA nor TraitB gets TraitA by a 50% chance, and all others get TraitB. If we turn that around it would no longer work:

;--------------------------------
Trigger Two
WhenToTest [something]

Condition Trait TraitA = 0

Affects TraitB 1 Chance 100
;--------------------------------
Trigger One
WhenToTest [something]

Condition [whatever]
       and Trait TraitA = 0
       and Trait TraitB = 0

Affects TraitA 1 Chance 50

Now everyone gets TraitB and no one TraitA.

[Gigantus]

If the counter is true then the monitor should terminate before the historic event.

[Alpha Zeke]

...Alright. Thanks I'll keep attempting my project now. Hopefully one time it might work...