Mongols SS 6.3 very overpowered

[Ponti]

Guys,U are made Mongols unbeatable,I was playing Byzantium VH/VH Late Era and after 50 turns Mongols have 3.5 mln soldier over 60 stacks.....They are destroy Kwarezm and Cumans ,Turks,Egypt.Something is wrong here.I'm at second place with 450K soldiers but when I saw 60 full stacks od Mongols I just quit game even when I kill 15 of them..... something is overrated here with Mongols.And in all games they are conquer only Turks not going to war with Kiev and Novgorod.They are unbeatable.

Pls fixed this because I understand 10-20 stacks but not over 60 full stack.... and U must handle over 150 turns to Timurid emergence.It is impossible....

Exist some event who make Mongols a little bit peaceful?Khan dies or sth?

I cannot show this because when I make printscreen ,prt scr is all black.

[recentiy03]

They are passed 2,000,000 on my chart for military strength, I did a toggle_fow to check them out and it does look a bit ridiculous, they already eliminated one empire and just have armies standing around doing nothing everywhere, I don't know if they're full stacks but it is a lot of troops.

[Ponti]

here U have only a part of Mongols stacks... really ridicoulous... same turn... I playing 20 turns more and they are destroys Egypt and Turks.I just quit this game.Because it is impossible to beat them.How they are build so many units without cash???

[borya1978]

here U have only a part of Mongols stacks... really ridicoulous... same turn... I playing 20 turns more and they are destroys Egypt and Turks.I just quit this game.Because it is impossible to beat them.How they are build so many units without cash???

LMAO!!!!!!! I didn't get that far yet. In defense of the mongols, they did have one of the biggest armies in the world at the time I think their scouting parties had like 20,000 troops. and they did destory a few kingdoms and expanded large and wide in a short period of time. So I really dont see anything wrong, it brings back the good old days of when the mogols were something to dread and fear when they appear in the game. I think its a good thing

[Ponti]

LMAO!!!!!!! I didn't get that far yet. In defense of the mongols, they did have one of the biggest armies in the world at the time I think their scouting parties had like 20,000 troops. and they did destory a few kingdoms and expanded large and wide in a short period of time. So I really dont see anything wrong, it brings back the good old days of when the mogols were something to dread and fear when they appear in the game. I think its a good thing

Yes I agreed that Mongols are superower in this time but they are not unbeatable This is just a game and it is a just overrated ,Kwarezm and Cumans are not playable.Mongols not attack Russians.They are also not negotiate to make U a vassal.Any events not exist to make a rebel provinces conquered by Mongols to turn back their armies, in real world they are just emergence ,conquer and assimiliate with conquering culture cutting Empire at few chanats.Here U have just a killing machine.I think that in 200 turn they are conquer whole map and it is good for U?How are U destroy over 60 stacks full of Mongolians units?Are u kidding me?

With regard to the Teutons, I thought that was OK in Lithuania, they were beaten in real life, right?

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It was equal battle.Teutons are never beaten core of Lithuania ,Lithuania in XIV century rises because Mongols destroy Kievan Rus and they are conquer their lands.Here in game Teutons has one of the best units and playing as Lithuania in Late Era is very tough ,Lithuania controlled by AI just dissapear

what about early era campaign ??

It is better because Kwarezmians and Cumans have many turns to develop.

[Caesar Clivus]

It was equal battle.Teutons are never beaten core of Lithuania ,Lithuania in XIV century rises because Mongols destroy Kievan Rus and they are conquer their lands.Here in game Teutons has one of the best units and playing as Lithuania in Late Era is very tough ,Lithuania controlled by AI just dissapear

It is better because Kwarezmians and Cumans have many turns to develop.

Ponti what is your sample size in making these observations? Just because something happens in one campaign doesn't mean it'll always happen. Just because the TO beat Lithuania in one game doesnt mean they always will.

[Ponti]

Ponti what is your sample size in making these observations? Just because something happens in one campaign doesn't mean it'll always happen. Just because the TO beat Lithuania in one game doesnt mean they always will.

Ceasar Clivus, I'm playing SS over 1,5 year and playing over 5-6 full campaign as Lithuania and Teutons Late Era and I know what I mean.

[recentiy03]

Mine looks similiar, but I am playing as England so I have a lot of buffers...although I made a marriage alliance with the HRE very early and it was not the wisest play because I was using them as a shield from the rest of Europe and dealing with France and Scotland until the Pope called a crusade on Frankfurt...it not only took away 2/3 of my allies, who chose the Pope over me, but put a massive whole in the HRE, who went from being the strongest Xian faction to one of the weaker ones...I Hope I don't look at the map one day and notice Mongolia has control of ALL of the east...it is looking like that is developing...

[Ponti]

Late Era campaign is nice but I think many mistake is done here.

- Lithuania is beaten by Teutons (give them maybe one or two provinces more)

- Pope waiting with crusade to HRE excomunications.HRE have no chance and after 100 turns are destroyed (this scenario is always in SS .HRE controlling by AI is excomunicate very fast and turn after turn loosing settlements and finally being destroyed

-Byzantium controlling by AI not conquer Constantinople because of war with Turks and always Hungary conquers this area with rebel crusaders armies.Hungary are being a superpower.

and now Mongols.....

[recentiy03]

Late Era campaign is nice but I think many mistake is done here.

- Lithuania is beaten by Teutons (give them maybe one or two provinces more)

- Pope waiting with crusade to HRE excomunications.HRE have no chance and after 100 turns are destroyed (this scenario is always in SS .HRE controlling by AI is excomunicate very fast and turn after turn loosing settlements and finally being destroyed

-Byzantium controlling by AI not conquer Constantinople because of war with Turks and always Hungary conquers this area with rebel crusaders armies.Hungary are being a superpower.

and now Mongols.....

I noticed all that stuff, too.

The first time through, I went back about 30 turns for my second time because stuff was messed up with names and children, but anyway, the first time through things were OK and the HRE was a force because I asked the Pope to crusade in Lithuania and he agreed....the second time, though, my papal favor was low and out of nowhere the Pope called a crusade on Frankfurt which really hurt my foreign relations and crippled my biggest ally...now France is growing REALLY strong and to make matters worse Scotland, my vassal, is allied with France so if I even try to attack France I lose my vassal with Scotland...ridiculous I am letting them dictate my policy, but I have no choice...

With regard to the Teutons, I thought that was OK in Lithuania, they were beaten in real life, right? Altough I was wondering why the Byazantines left Constaintinople to Greek rebels only for Hungry to claim...when I saw the map I knew I should make an alliance with Hungry because once they claimed the Greek City States they will be very rich...alas, they hate me and chose Poland and Norway because of my not-so-wise ties with the faltering HRE.

But the Mongols seem way out of hand...they had professional armies but were not known for their size...can't you make them better units or something to represent their organization and not their sheer numbers? The Mongols eventually lost much of what they took because they did not have enough man power to hold what the land, so the fact they are overwhelming their opponents like the Russians or Chinese with sheer numbers doesn't make historical sense IMO.

[paladinmahdi]

what about early era campaign ??

[RollingWave]

yikes, that look way too over the top.

[Byg]

Guys,U are made Mongols unbeatable,I was playing Byzantium VH/VH Late Era and after 50 turns Mongols have 3.5 mln soldier over 60 stacks.....They are destroy Kwarezm and Cumans ,Turks,Egypt.Something is wrong here.I'm at second place with 450K soldiers but when I saw 60 full stacks od Mongols I just quit game even when I kill 15 of them..... something is overrated here with Mongols.And in all games they are conquer only Turks not going to war with Kiev and Novgorod.They are unbeatable.

Pls fixed this because I understand 10-20 stacks but not over 60 full stack.... and U must handle over 150 turns to Timurid emergence.It is impossible....

Exist some event who make Mongols a little bit peaceful?Khan dies or sth?

I cannot show this because when I make printscreen ,prt scr is all black.

you should change the title of this thread because in English "overrated" means not very powerful in this context. "very overpowered" might be better.

[Beowulf1990]

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST, JEZUS OF NAZARETH, BY THE MIGHTY TENTACLES OF THE FLYING SPAGETTI MONSTER THAT IS INSANE!

This might help

[Aranu]

i had this in 6.1 i played kwarezmian back then and my god what a intense campaign that was ! awesome

I "simply" choked their huge horseman armies to death mountain passes, gates, bridges

[preachercheeze]

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Off-topic
-Caesar Clivus

on-topic: 40 turns into my English campaign I couldn't resist on checking the Golden Horde out after reading this thread... not so many armies as you have but waaaay overpowered IMHO... they have already decimated the Kwarezms down to one province and have the Cumans on the run... I fear that the Seljuks will be next and after that the crusader states... I am for a historical correct game but not so historical correct so that gameplay might get hampered... Maybe a scripted event that says that the mongol leader have died and that the mongols have retreated... maybe make many of their conquered provinces to rebels and let them settle in 7 provinces in the east... but up until that point, let the carnage continuuuueeeeeeee!!!!!

[Ichon]

I like the Mongols to be scary and almost unstoppable, especially when they first emerge. K-Shah and Cumans should fall quite fast. After that though I'd rather Mongol expanded by speed than massive numbers. IE- random armies spawn further west on the map in waves. Vast hordes are wrong... yes Mongol had large army but it was spread out all over the world controlling their empire. The armies which invaded Europe likely never more than 200,000. Most Mongols were actually fighting in the east while the "Mongol" armies in the west had Mongol commanders and some units but were mainly Turks and other peoples.

Also spawned armies further west limit the use of bridge and choke point battles which make things easier even vs massive numbers. Then you have unexpected Mongol armies appearing and causing havoc... sort of like history. Or at least closer than the current 100 years of massive Mongol armies moving west so slowly.

[Imladrik]

I haven't really met with the mongols in person yet in 6.3, but they sure look quite (too) powerful!

[Alpha Zeke]

all I am saying is that the poster you commented on didn't say anything explicit to you... if you want to go on a crusade on everyone that breaks the second comandment you will have a hard time in your life...

Don't you need to be catholic to crusade?

And OT, if the Mongols left hordes of rebels that would be SO cool.

[bɑne]

No religious discussions please!
First of all, there's a place for this; http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=53

Secondly, it'd only lead to mass-bans if such a discussion is allowed to go on. Myself included.

That. Keep it on topic guys.