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    just wondering why there are no irish feudal knights, it kind of suks because once england and scotland enter the high/late era ireland gets outclassed big time in infantry and must throw things at the enemy to win. was ireland not feudalized like the other nations in medieval times?

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    Default Re: no irish 'Knights'

    Ireland were fuedal and developed walled citys and castles in the 13th century. The Irish army, as opposed to the English were quit diffrent. The Irish King relied heavily upon foreign war bands of either Hebries-Norse or west-Scottish groups to bolster the heavy roles in his armys. The Marasgal (Marshall) was the kings dux and right hand and was responsible for the levy, army and formations, etc.
    In the 1160-70, English and Welsh aslo join in on the ranks as merc's and showed supiriority in battle, especially as heavily armoured knights on large charging and organised war-horses. The light Irish Hobilars is now rendered for it's once effective nature. So to adjust the competition, fuedalism is introduced, with it's entier spine leaning towards the english warfare model via the entier medival age. However, the Irish king still looked other areas, like the Hebries-Norse infantry unit specifically designed to counter heavily armed English cavalry, known as galloglass.
    In the end, the Irish state, which lacked both gov influence and dominion professional army led to a hybrid model of the English cavalry. The reason is naturally that the English overlords stayed in Ireland and funded their own armys - ergo, led them to eventually merge into the Irish overclass and it's economic conditions. The late middle ages see a decline from there on....

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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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    Default Re: no irish 'Knights'

    so if i understand you correctly your saying there were no irish 'Knights' becuase the irish relied upon mercenaries and warbands, fighting in the same way they had since roman times.

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