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    Default Luck exists: how Iranians handed over their bomb blueprints

    Luck indeed. http://www.spacewar.com/2005/051120134445.dqgzb6fs.html

    Iran may have handed over nuclear core plan by accident

    VIENNA (AFP) Nov 20, 2005
    Iran may have handed over a document which describes how to make what could be the explosive core of an atom bomb by accident to UN inspectors, diplomats said Sunday, giving more details about its contents.
    One diplomat told AFP: "It's a bit puzzling they came and gave" the document to inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

    Other diplomats said the IAEA inspectors found it in a stack of other unrelated papers that the Vienna-based UN nuclear watchdog had asked for.

    But IAEA vice chairman Mohammad Saidi said Saturday in Tehran that by handing over the document Iran was showing its good faith, reporting with "complete transparence" on its controversial nuclear program.

    Iran said the document was part of a 1987 offer from a black market network that it never acted upon.

    The text spells out "procedural requirements for ... the casting and machining of enriched, natural and depleted uranium metal into hemispherical forms," the IAEA said in a confidential report released Friday to its 35-nation board of governors and obtained by AFP.

    Gary Samore, a non-proliferation expert who was an official in former president Bill Clinton's White House, told AFP: "There is no other purpose for manufacturing highly enriched uranium in hemispheres except for nuclear weapons."

    The disclosure of the document raised concerns about Iran's nuclear program, which Tehran says is a peaceful drive to produce electricity but the United States and Europe fear could conceal a secret program to develop atomic weapons.

    A diplomat close to the IAEA said the document was found in "two or three cardboard boxes" full of papers which Iran handed over and was in a binder and consisted of some 10 pages.

    The diplomat said the document was a "step-by-step" guide for turning uranium gas into enriched uranium metal and casting it into a hemispherical shape.

    Samore, speaking from Chicago where he works for the MacArthur Foundation, said: "The first step is you have to convert the gas to metal, then melt and cast the metal, not too much at a time because you don't want a criticality accident (an explosion).

    "Then you make it into a rough cast hemisphere, put it on a lathe and cut it to exact specifications," he said.

    The diplomat close to the IAEA said the Iranian document had "a couple of drawings" but was by no means a blueprint and that there were "no drawings for the core" of a bomb where the hemispheres would lie.

    Also, the document "doesn't give anything like dimensions," the diplomat said.

    But the 1987 offer from the smuggling network run by disgraced Pakistani atomic scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan did provide blueprints for centrifuges, the IAEA has said.

    The diplomat said the Iranian document was the same sort of texts and drawings the Khan network handed to Libya and South Africa but that no one has seen a "whole set" of the Khan documents detailing nuclear technology and materials.

    "Khan and company were hawking the whole works" of bomb technology, a second diplomat said, while the first diplomat said the IAEA was "still working to find out what else Iran may have received."

    Gregory Schulte, the US ambassador to the IAEA, told reporters Friday: "Iran owes the (IAEA) board an explanation why it had these documents, what it has done with them, and why it didn't disclose them in the past."

    He said the "documents open new concern about weaponization that Iran has failed to address."
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    "Iran isn't trying to develop nukes, the U.S just wants a reason to get their oil!!11"
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilpuri
    "Iran isn't trying to develop nukes, the U.S just wants a reason to get their oil!!11"
    No it's more like:

    "The US doesn't need a reason to get their oil anyways, so Iran has no other option but to develop nukes as a means of deterrence."


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    lol your crazy Wilipuri I've never heard anyone say that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guderian
    lol your crazy Wilipuri I've never heard anyone say that...
    It's been quite a common utterance here in the mudpit if I recall. But what do I know.
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    hehe, wilpuri, your a class act.

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    Hah... the difference between you and me is that, I don't care looking for evidences. If we find evidences? Well then, we'll talk about it. If we find none? Well We will continue to watch carefully, but we will not attack on mere suspicions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris
    Hah... the difference between you and me is that, I don't care looking for evidences. If we find evidences? Well then, we'll talk about it. If we find none? Well We will continue to watch carefully, but we will not attack on mere suspicions.
    Evidences are always good to have.
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    I think the fact they handed it over in a pile of random paper is wierd. Maybe a cover story (the 1987 thing), maybe not. Maybe they really did hand it over in good faith, not that some will take it like that.

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    Oh yes, I can see Ahmadinedjad say: "we can use Uranium hemispheres only to build an A-bomb, but let's give the infidels a chance to accuse us, add those blueprints".

    Notice: this dialogue line is entirely fictional, and intended to represent a comical situation.

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    I noticed. Which is why I gave both sides of the possible argument.

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    Which is halfway accurate, given the US propensity for riding roughshhod over the internaitonal community.

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    Kahn stole those plans from the Netherlands.
    If it's true that they can ONLY be used to make weapons my country must be making nukes! OMG.



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    That or it was working out how to go about it for future reference, just in case.

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    It's the evil US empire, of course. Always. http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=1334218

    By LUIZ MARTINEZ and JACQUELINE SHIRE

    Nov. 21, 2005— Iran has built, with the help of North Korea, dozens of underground tunnels and facilities for the construction of nuclear-capable missiles, according to Alireza Jafardazeh, a Washington D.C.-based consultant and former spokesman for the National Council of the Resistance of Iran, an Iranian opposition group.

    Speaking this morning at the National Press Club, Jafarzadeh described an "extensive large-scale operation" for the development of nuclear-capable missiles "in the most sophisticated, hidden way" in tunnels in a mountain range east of Tehran. Jafarzadeh named several Iranian entities involved in Iran's missile program, overseen by the Hemmat Industries Group. He said that eyewitnesses describe the facilities, begun in 1989, as an "underground township." Jafarzadeh added that, in addition to work on the Shahab family of missiles, Hemmat is overseeing work on a new long-range missile, Ghadar, which is still in development and has a projected range of 1,300 to 1,900 miles.

    Reports of North Korean cooperation with Iran on its nuclear and missile programs have surfaced previously. In July 2005, Reuters cited a three-page intelligence report charging that North Koreans were teaching secret graduate-level courses at Tehran's Polytechnic University in nuclear technology. The UK's Telegraph reported in June 2005 that North Korean specialists in underground construction had arrived in Tehran to help design their facilities that would better shield Iran's nuclear program from international scrutiny.

    Jafarzadeh's allegations come on the heels of the latest report on Iran from the International Atomic Energy Agency, which reveals that Iran received a document from the A.Q. Khan network in 1987 describing the "casting and machining" uranium into "hemispherical forms," a process directly relevant to the design of a nuclear warhead.

    A State Department official contacted by ABC News about Jafarzadeh's charges was unable to corroborate them but did confirm that the Hemmat Industries Group was sanctioned in May 2003 as the unlawful recipient of missile technology from Moldova. The Shahab-3 was flight-tested by Iran in 2004. It is known to be capable of carrying a nuclear warhead and has a range of 1,500 kilometers. Experts do not know how many such missiles Iran has produced or deployed.
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    You might of learnt your lesson listening to 'oppostion groups' for your intel. Looks like not. I can find a post of Elvis living on the moon too. That has the same credability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Custor
    You might of learnt your lesson listening to 'oppostion groups' for your intel. Looks like not. I can find a post of Elvis living on the moon too. That has the same credability.
    On the ABC? Wow, cool guy, that Elvis, all alone on the moon...

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    What do they need evidence for? Did they really need it in Iraq?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenic Hoplite
    What do they need evidence for? Did they really need it in Iraq?
    Didn't you hear about Neitsnie's new theory? Apparently, Crap squared = Evidence times mass stupidity (C2 = EM). However, a crap factor of seven could mean that there is no real evidence, but lots of mass stupidity. That conclusively concludes that evidence is relative, and thus, can be created and modified as needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuwxiv
    Didn't you hear about Neitsnie's new theory? Apparently, Crap squared = Evidence times mass stupidity (C2 = EM). However, a crap factor of seven could mean that there is no real evidence, but lots of mass stupidity. That conclusively concludes that evidence is relative, and thus, can be created and modified as needed.
    Hahahahahaha!!! It seems to actually be a functionable formula. :wink:

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