Ireland? What happened to them?

[Brother Duncan]

I noticed in the description of SS 6.3 that Ireland had been removed.

I'm curious (and a tad saddened) by the loss of this faction. Can anyone clarify as to why they were removed? Or, even better, reassure me I'm not alone in missing them already?

[Harabec]

1. Ireland was not a real power in the time line covered; no major impact on the world.
2. Freed up unit slots for other factions roster.

Think it was more for reason number 2.

[Brother Duncan]

Bummer. Oh well. I guess I'll just have to actually finish a HRE campaign.

Many thanks!

[Lushang]

Did the Timurid make a return? Did I spell that right..

[Caesar Clivus]

Yes.

[napoleonic]

any new faction? I read discussion about adding georgia, is it in?

[Caesar Clivus]

No

[Beowulf1990]

No

OT here, but is it just me or do more people read this colour as a booming voice from beyond bestowed with the authority and power of a thousand generations of Norse Warriors?
Could just be i'm overimaginative.

[Caesar Clivus]

OT here, but is it just me or do more people read this colour as a booming voice from beyond bestowed with the authority and power of a thousand generations of Norse Warriors?
Could just be i'm overimaginative.

I'm the forum moderator. So I actually AM bestowed with the authority and power of a thousand generations of Norse Warriors...

[Alpha Zeke]

Just the timurids. But why you have your eyes on this Ceaser, is there one faction slot open or not? Don't feel like counting, but they could be at 30.

[Caesar Clivus]

Just the timurids. But why you have your eyes on this Ceaser, is there one faction slot open or not? Don't feel like counting, but they could be at 30.

From Gracul's FAQ:

Q: Hey! You said max faction limit is reached, and i can still see 2 faction slots free!
A: Yep, there is one slot free, but there is not much to do with it, since the EDU is out of units. What's fun in a faction with no unique units? If ever proper room is made, Point Blank will be the one to make it. Increasing the number of playable factions will also have an impact on the turn time, which is already too long.

[Alpha Zeke]

Ah! I remember reading that somewhere! Which is not a problem, since I can throw some units from one faction to another to free up a slot for the Creed. >: )
Dont ask. Secret plans in motion.

[RollingWave]

Ireland was removed since it really didn't do much in historical context, and when played by the AI they also represent that prefectly by never stepping off the island

As for freeing unit slots, there are actually quiet a few ways to do it ... it has been suggested that a lot of units are still redudent / overlapping.

A example I brought up was that we could simply remove the Christian guard units completely, and just give muslim factions the abiltity to recruit knights / foots knights with high level structures in a AOR sense when they hold European lands. obviously this would give Moors the most access of the 4, which would be historically accurate as well. since the Moors did occasionally have Catholic knights fight on their side, even against other catholics, due to variety of reasons, but they were rarely done in a unique unit sense. just your ordinary local knights whose interest happen to line up better with you than your enemy.



Another would be to reduce the number of knights units , especially the more generic onces, and simply use armour upgrade to represent the difference in stage.

also, some of the North European and East European generic units are completely the same, even down to the graphics, yet cost two seperate slots.

Saracen Milita and Arab infantry are also too similar, might as well just remove the saracen and make Arab infantry a unit for both city and castles.

The same could be said of the some of the more generic units , for example peasant crossbowman vs crossbow militas and levy archer vs archer milita.

[Point Blank]

Ireland was removed since it really didn't do much in historical context, and when played by the AI they also represent that prefectly by never stepping off the island

As for freeing unit slots, there are actually quiet a few ways to do it ... it has been suggested that a lot of units are still redudent / overlapping.

A example I brought up was that we could simply remove the Christian guard units completely, and just give muslim factions the abiltity to recruit knights / foots knights with high level structures in a AOR sense when they hold European lands. obviously this would give Moors the most access of the 4, which would be historically accurate as well. since the Moors did occasionally have Catholic knights fight on their side, even against other catholics, due to variety of reasons, but they were rarely done in a unique unit sense. just your ordinary local knights whose interest happen to line up better with you than your enemy.



Another would be to reduce the number of knights units , especially the more generic onces, and simply use armour upgrade to represent the difference in stage.

also, some of the North European and East European generic units are completely the same, even down to the graphics, yet cost two seperate slots.

Saracen Milita and Arab infantry are also too similar, might as well just remove the saracen and make Arab infantry a unit for both city and castles.

The same could be said of the some of the more generic units , for example peasant crossbowman vs crossbow militas and levy archer vs archer milita.

These units have different recruitment categories. We have to make some concession between cutting units out to free slots, and keeping them in to retain some historical flavor...

The Christian Guard could be re-examined though.

[Brother Duncan]

*sleepily walks back into the thread*

Well that makes sense! Thank you for the clarification.

*sigh* *glares at the torrent reading 97.5% with 20 minutes remaining*

[bɑne]

*sleepily walks back into the thread*

Well that makes sense! Thank you for the clarification.

*sigh* *glares at the torrent reading 97.5% with 20 minutes remaining*

Remember to seed it in order to save other bittorrent clients from threatening glares.

[Brother Duncan]

Remember to seed it in order to save other bittorrent clients from threatening glares.

Oh don't worry. I'm very grateful for the torrent since I'm on wireless and can't download anything from Megaupload without losing connection and getting an error. There were around 27 seeds that I was getting when I finished. I plan on giving back .

I'll upload screenshots once I choose between early and late.

[Alpha Zeke]

Sacacen Militia and Arab Infantry have one HUGE difference i might point out.

One sucked the tip of my crusader sword, one kicked my ass back to italy.

[Mr. Sorrow]

Gone, baby gone....

[Rogal Dorn]

No unit slots left? Honestly, I think the rosters from 6.2 were fine. I don't see the need for new units, except perhaps the Byzantines. No, I haven't played as every faction, but still. I'd rather have 6.2 rosters with free slots for another faction... Georgia, I don't really care about, but if it's what the people want.

Or is it not that simple? Probably not .