Rohan is not horsemaster faction...

[tallstark]

Hi all, I always play Rohan first time a new version comes out because I liked them best when I read the books. One thing that has always puzzled me is Rohan is supposed to be the main guys when it comes to horses but they are not anything special when it comes right down to it. In heavy cavalry their strongest attack cavalry is 6th best in ME. Same if you look at which cavalry has best defense. Their missile cavalry is nothing special and they don't even have faster horses than anyone else. Other than they can recruit cavalry in greater numbers to start with, what makes them any more horsemasters than Harad or Rhun?

To resolve this, I am thinking of editing some unit descr files, but not sure which would be best without screwing up game balance. I was thinking one of 3 things:
1. More charge bonus to give credit for better horse tactics.
2. Greater defensive skill to reflect superior horsemanship.
3. Making their units say 5% faster than other horse to reflect the better bloodlines of horses.
Any thoughts on which would be best justified lore-wise? I know its a slipperly slope when you start telling stories so you can change units stats LOL but I really think Rohan deserves SOME sort of horse boost; hell their mounted BG units have the worst attack of any factions mounted BG!

[mattgoby]

look in the submods section and theres one called somesomething "Gundabag" made by a user called for gondor maybe he could add it on to that if thats ok with you

[slowbro]

Ai deploys stakes in mid battle cav is useless anyway except hot horse archers so why bother

[mattgoby]

Thanks for that unhelpful and as far as i can tell wrong statement, isnt it immposible for the ai to use stakes........

[Lordinquisitor]

Ai deploys stakes in mid battle cav is useless anyway except hot horse archers so why bother

No. You just have to know which units can deploy stacks and how to use the stop button. Cavalry is the most effective weapons of mass destruction in this mod.

[slowbro]

for rohans part it would be crossbow uruks and they deploy it instantly so stop button might not hlp

[Kamakai]

Just dont be stupid enough to run into them then?

[slowbro]

Just dont be stupid enough to run into them then?

they can appear 1 second before impact not exactly easy to avoid not many people play rohancos they don't really have any outstanding units i would like their infantry to have more armor but thats just me

[tallstark]

yeah Pause button is the great equalizer on that, you just have to micromanage. They can only deploy once. ANy feedback on what edit makes most sense?

[Vaz]

Use Horse Archers then? Christ, they have comparatively low armour and no shield so the're prime meat.

[midterm360]

I actually have to agree that rohan should have at least one really sick cav unit. But I still love to play them anyways

[Baywatch]

Yeah I'd have to agree, Rohan is a bit lacking in terms of quality units and they could use a little something extra. They certainly aren't bad, but not quite on par with other factions.

@ the statement about cavalry being useless because of stakes.

[Outlawstar15a2]

Ai deploys stakes in mid battle cav is useless anyway except hot horse archers so why bother

Umm, there's this thing called "Go around and flank from the sides and rear". I don't know I found it while searching the common sense forums.

[slowbro]

dude they deploy this while you are charging them and just about to make contact its not something that is there at beginning of battle its an AI script

[cormagus77]

I was thinking also that Rohan needs a little boost, when it comes to their cavalry units.
Although I was thinking in another direction...

The standard Rohan soldiers fights usually...on horse. Therefore Cavalry is the regular troop type for Rohan, right? So shouldn't regular troop types be less expensive in recruitment and upkeep than specialised troops?

When I'm playing Rohan in TATW, I simply can't afford many horsemen, but instead masses of spearmen, archers and axemen. So my Rohan-armies aren't really horsemaster-armies. Which feels completely against lore!!!

So first of all I'd propose to lower the cost for recruitment and upkeep for Rohan cavalry-units; and instead raise the costs for other troop types for them!

The proposals for charge bonus and defensive skill bonus for Rohan Cavalry sound quite reasonable lorewise imo. But let's not forget that other factions like Gondor or Rhun had also brilliant cavalry, just not so many cavalry units So I wouldn't set these bonuses higher than the other factions elite cavalry units!

About a speed bonus I'm not sure: True the Rohirrim were very good horsebreeders and capable riders, On the other hand the elves because of their close bonds of friendship with nature and animals were surely able to make their horse also go faster than usual... And the Rohirrim were also selling their finebred horses to some other factions iirc.

[Baywatch]

dude they deploy this while you are charging them and just about to make contact its not something that is there at beginning of battle its an AI script

Not every unit can deploy stakes, in fact a very small percentage of the units in the game can deploy stakes. And for those that do deploy stakes, you just need to pay extra attention to them. Calvary are still very useful even with the AI script.

[Neige]

I wonder why did they include such an unrealistic script though.

[midterm360]

I agree. It is a marvel of coding I will say that much, but digging that many holes in the ground, getting the logs and then sharpening said logs is something htat takes time and not something that you do when a cavalry charge is only 10 feet away from you

[Baron Samedi]

Not every unit can deploy stakes, in fact a very small percentage of the units in the game can deploy stakes. And for those that do deploy stakes, you just need to pay extra attention to them.

Do you talk here about the stakes-script? If so, then I am not sure the deployment of stakes in this script is tied to the ability of the unit to deploy stakes at all.

Calvary are still very useful even with the AI script.

Agreed, no doubt.

I wonder why did they include such an unrealistic script though.

To ''improve'' battle AI? Personally I find the script a too big cheat for the A.I. Thats why I removed the script from my game. Its too unrealistic.

[Vaz]

Because you know war is fair and all the tactics were used so your opponent could see exactly what they were doing. It represents traps and stake pits.

As to Gondorian Cavalry, where does it state they are excellent? It states that horses were few, and Swan Knights weren't necessarily mounted.