Dwarves attack Silvan Elves, then me.

[derf]

Unfortunately I don't think i can play this again with a flaw such as this. Can anyone tell me if theres some cheat or something I can do to force peace between the Dwarves and Silvan Elves (+ Dwarves and myself as the High Elves)?

Basically at one point, the Dwarves attacked the Silvan elves... which is weird on it own but at the time I let it happen, since they are located fairly north and shouldn't really impact the rest of the game. But then the Dwarves attacked me and frankly that's out of the question.

Now i don't know a whole story before LotR, but shouldn't this kind of thing be prohibited in the game?

[The Unknown Knight]

This sub mod should help. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=255238

[Jean=A=Luc]

This sub mod should help. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=255238

As TUK mentioned just follow the link for a solution.

[Vaz]

Theyd need to be allied to benefit from it. Total War is entirely that. The reason the dwarfs go to war with the silvans is due to poor relationships caused by the battle of the 5 armies and the dwarves imprisonment.

You are allied to the Dwarves enemies, guess where you relationship rating goes.

[Raiven]

Well but it is interesting to play alternative history sometimes and turn away from usual storyline IMO. And war between Elves and Dwarves has happened in past, so why not again.

But if you want to avoid it, try to ally with all good guys.

[Smokey Bacon]

Dwarves and elves have a history of not liking each other. In The Silmarillion the dwarves of nogrod killed King Thingol and tried to steal the silmaril they had crafted into a necklace for him. The elves killed the dwarves and recovered the necklace. After other dwarves heard about this they attacked Doriath killing most of the elves there and sacking the city.

Later on the dwarves from the first age citys of nogrod and belegost feld to Khazad Dum.

[jamin620]

yeah, the whole point of the mod is to play out some "alternate history". If not, then playing any bad faction is pointless, right?

[AnthoniusII]

Dwarves have a war history against Elvs of anykind since the end of 1st era 'cause of the Silmarils.
So lets say dwarves seak alliances only if they suit them. They are friends of no one.

[The Edain]

THis has happened to me, although I was Eraidor at the time. Dwarves declared war on the Hight elves, it didn't really bother me as Dwarves and Elves have never seen eye to eye since the 1st age. But they never really fought in my campaign small skirmishes but no regons traded ownership.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

As already said, there is no reason why they shouldn't fight eachother, since they are on bad terms. In my game as Eriador (now Arnor), the High Elves and Dwarves have been allies and enemies at different times. Currently they are friendly, probably because they only have 1 settlement west of the Misty Mountains now . The Dwarves also drove the Silvan Elves out of Mirkwood and have taken most of the territory from the OotMM, almost all of Mirkwood, and Dale after they died from Rhun. Currently, they are fighting Rhun.

[Jean=A=Luc]

Where do you people get this "elves and dwarves are on bad terms" stuff? From the 1st Age events that happened thousands of years ago?

After the Battle of the 5 Armies, Dwarves and Silvan Elves parted on friendly terms and I certainly don't see any animosity between let's say Elrond and Dwarves or whoever the other high elven representatives may have been. Weren't the dwarves present at the Council of Elrond?

In the worst case during the WoTR elves and dwarves were "distant" from each other. They certainly weren't on the brink of war.

Regardless, in gameplay terms, this shouldn't be happening but I guess it hasn't been "fixed" yet. From what I know two warring factions will declare truce if you ally yourself with both of them.

[Chyeaaaa111]

Where do you people get this "elves and dwarves are on bad terms" stuff? From the 1st Age events that happened thousands of years ago?

After the Battle of the 5 Armies, Dwarves and Silvan Elves parted on friendly terms and I certainly don't see any animosity between let's say Elrond and Dwarves or whoever the other high elven representatives may have been. Weren't the dwarves present at the Council of Elrond?

In the worst case during the WoTR elves and dwarves were "distant" from each other. They certainly weren't on the brink of war.

Regardless, in gameplay terms, this shouldn't be happening but I guess it hasn't been "fixed" yet. From what I know two warring factions will declare truce if you ally yourself with both of them.

Although strangely sometimes the alliance option is not available . Other times it is and it usually only solves the problem for 3 or 4 turns, then they are back at war.

[NSFW]

Where do you people get this "elves and dwarves are on bad terms" stuff? From the 1st Age events that happened thousands of years ago?

After the Battle of the 5 Armies, Dwarves and Silvan Elves parted on friendly terms and I certainly don't see any animosity between let's say Elrond and Dwarves or whoever the other high elven representatives may have been. Weren't the dwarves present at the Council of Elrond?

In the worst case during the WoTR elves and dwarves were "distant" from each other. They certainly weren't on the brink of war.

Regardless, in gameplay terms, this shouldn't be happening but I guess it hasn't been "fixed" yet. From what I know two warring factions will declare truce if you ally yourself with both of them.

It's not the most elegant solution but, with the script which requires allies to cancel alliance before attacking, and the AI being so bad at cancelling alliances, I've found that just changing descr_strat so that all good nations are allied at the start to be a fairly good solution.

The way I see it is that although not all the good guys are "allies" in the sense which we (humans) might think of the term, their relations do at least fit the TATW diplomacy engine's definition of "allies" quite well, i.e. they're not likely to start fighting but probably aren't going to be much direct help to each other.

There's still a chance that the loose alliance of free peoples can end up in-fighting*, which I like, but on the whole the good guys seem to end up putting aside their differences to concentrate on the greater threat, which works for me lore-wise.
(*If a good faction allies with an evil faction and then later chooses to stay allied with the evil faction, when it goes to war with another good faction, rather than favouring the good guys.)

[vrock627]

your looking at it as a good guys vs bad guys type game. its not. the mod isnt supposed to play out exactly like the movie/book. it puts you in middle earth as one of the many factions. to me, if rohan and gondor fought it would be normal. in the end they are all looking to have the most power. especially considering the third age campaign doesnt have the quest to destroy the ring in it.

btw the elves and dwarves have never been in good terms, besides when they all banded together to fight the orcs

[NSFW]

your looking at it as a good guys vs bad guys type game. its not.

That's very much a matter of personal opinion and taste. It's not a natural state for a TW game, but it does fit with the way Tolkien laid out his world. There certainly were frictions between the good factions, but it seems quite natural that these were put aside in the face of a common evil which was out to destroy/enslave them all.

the mod isnt supposed to play out exactly like the movie/book.

Obviously, & I'd go so far as to say that basing a strategy game on the War of the Ring is a bit of a stretch in the first place; as portrayed in lore, evil had a massive strategic advantage over good, and a victory for good was very unlikely. So, yes, you have to deviate somewhat from the lore even to make a strat game that's going to be interesting and potentially winnable with any faction.

However, as i said at the top, how lore-flavoured the game should be is a very subjective.
To my mind the ideal is that the campaign's initial set up is as true to lore as possible, but that the player has as much free choice to play things their way as possible once the campaign starts, within the frame work that this game is basically representing an epic war between good and evil.
That's not to say that I think the player should be forced down these lines (I very much enjoyed playing a campaign as "Saruman the Badly Misunderstood" where I mostly allied with the good guys and went after evil by "using it's own armies against it") but personally I think that good AI factions should end up fighting evil, rather than each other, more often than not (& vice versa).

I expect it does, very much, come down to how much one cares about the good vs evil backdrop of Tolkien's setting, and how big a feature (or flavour) one thinks it should be in TATW.
"Horses for courses" as they say. *shrug*

[Rero]

your looking at it as a good guys vs bad guys type game. its not. the mod isnt supposed to play out exactly like the movie/book. it puts you in middle earth as one of the many factions. to me, if rohan and gondor fought it would be normal. in the end they are all looking to have the most power. especially considering the third age campaign doesnt have the quest to destroy the ring in it.

btw the elves and dwarves have never been in good terms, besides when they all banded together to fight the orcs

everyone hates orcs

[GabberJoop]

everyone hates orcs

Not me, I love em.
Edit: Oops, I didn't know you meant factions.

[Baron Samedi]

Unfortunately I don't think i can play this again with a flaw such as this.

What do you expect from a mod such as Third Age Total War. This ain't Third Age Total Peace. People fight and people die. At the end each faction looks after itself and if this means they have to attack a so-called ally in your eyes then so be it. If you want to prevent the ''good'' guys to fight each other, ally with them in the beginning of your campaign so you can have a little bit of a influence on who fights who. Other than this, bad luck mate.

[Outlawstar15a2]

I've played dozens of campaigns and never have I seen the Dwarves and Elves fight each other.... And Slaanesh knows I've tried to instigate conflicts....

[slowbro]

totally off the topic but your avatar Chyeaaaa111IS WAY HOTTER THAN Outlawstar15a2
+rep