Double Standard of Ethnicity

[Screaming Eagle]

I do not wish to offend anyone !!!AT ALL!!! This forum is about free expression within the rules, as far as I am aware I will post within the rules. If I break any, I have absolutely NO OBJECTION to that offending post or even the thread to be deleted.

Now for an explanation: I believe in a lot of countries people have a double standard with regard to their ethnicity or home country. I have just watched a TV broadcast where a Muslim gentleman (and British Subject) was speaking about how British troops should retreat from HIS countries (Iraq, Pakistan etc.). We are talking about a man who has moved to or been born in the United Kingdom! How can it continue to be his country if he has been living in Britain? I personally have an objection to this, if he wants to play such an active part in "His Countries", why not move back there?

What your personal opinions?

[Kanaric]

Its called political correctness, the majority has to be overly friendly to the minorities but they minorities can say whatever they wish. However immigrants, even if they are citizens, still have a connection to the old country. He probably has relatives over their as well, for all I know.

This isn't that bad of a case though, if he said something like "Kill those heathen, limey white devils" it would be something to be upset about.

[Erik]

I once met a girl who said she was Irish (she tried to explained to me why she drunk so much or something)
She was with an American friend she used to be in the same class with.
So I asked her when she moved to America.
She said she was born in America and so where her parents.
WTF?

And then the "Amercian" girl I talked to before suddently cailed to be Italian.
WTF^2?

Its called political correctness, the majority has to be overly friendly to the minorities but they minorities can say whatever they wish.

Yeah, they should be locked up for saying think like that.
Damn freedom of expression we have.

[John I Tzimisces]

I once met a girl who said she was Irish (she tried to explained to me why she drunk so much or something)
She was with an American friend she used to be in the same class with.
So I asked her when she moved to America.
She said she was born in America and so where her parents.
WTF?

And then the "Amercian" girl I talked to before suddently cailed to be Italian.
WTF^2?


Yeah, they should be locked up for saying think like that.
Damn freedom of expression we have.

Not many people here exclusively call themselves american. We like to maintain ties to the lands of our ancestors because indirectly or not, it often enough influences who we are. I've never been to armenia. I do, however, love the culture, the religion, and the people.
Besides, america wouldn't be ANYTHING today if not for its massive (formerly) immigrant population.

[Erik]

Not many people here exclusively call themselves american. We like to maintain ties to the lands of our ancestors because indirectly or not, it often enough influences who we are. I've never been to armenia. I do, however, love the culture, the religion, and the people.
Besides, america wouldn't be ANYTHING today if not for its massive (formerly) immigrant population.

And would you complain If America attacked Armenia?

Besides, the Netherlands would be NOTHING today if it wasn't for it's large number of (formerly) immigrant population.

Thats the thing, some people are more free to express than others. Its not really freedom when you look at it like that.

What do you mean by "some people are more free to express than others"?
I think everybody is equally free, as long as they don't break any hate-spread laws. (i.e. muslim extremists have the same restricts nazi's have)

[the_mango55]

What do you mean by "some people are more free to express than others"?
I think everybody is equally free, as long as they don't break any hate-spread laws. (i.e. muslim extremists have the same restricts nazi's have)

I am not sure about in the Netherlands, but here if you are in the majority, it is extremely taboo to say things about minorities, while minorities basically have the cultural OK to say whatever they feel like about the majority.

Just as a small example, recently a coach for a college football team (Air Force Academy I think) said in an interview after his team had lost, that he did not have many black players on his team, and black players are faster. He had to publicly appologise, and may lose his job. However, black color comentators (no pun inteded ) often can be heard saying that white people are inferior athletes, and no one seems to care.

It is not a legal issue, but it is still an issue

[John I Tzimisces]

And would you complain If America attacked Armenia?

Hell yes! I would completely flip out! But since the second largest population of armenians in the world is in america, and because armenia has been friendly to the US (not to mention fighting mujahadeen in the war with azerbaijan, which was not good for those vile mercenaries...), I don't think that would be too much of a problem

[Kanaric]

Yeah, they should be locked up for saying think like that.
Damn freedom of expression we have

Thats the thing, some people are more free to express than others. Its not really freedom when you look at it like that.

Plus, no they shouldn't be locked up. If he wants to say kill the heathens he should be able to say whatever he wishs. Its just double standards in society that you have to look at.

Here we dont believe people should be locked up for dangerous speach, nor do I believe they should. That is a europeon thing.

[Kanaric]

What do you mean by "some people are more free to express than others"?
I think everybody is equally free, as long as they don't break any hate-spread laws. (i.e. muslim extremists have the same restricts nazi's have)

Its different in the US then. The only hate-spreading anyone ever acts against is the majority against the minority. Good to know its not the same there.

[Erik]

Its different in the US then. The only hate-spreading anyone ever acts against is the majority against the minority. Good to know its not the same there.

We do have some double standards here in the Netherlands, but not along the majority/minority line.

The most "protected" group are the Jews, by far.
It's realy dufficult to say anything bad about Jews without being called anti-semetic.
Even standing up for the rights of innocent Palestinians is difficult in some areas of Amsterdam, as Greta Duisenberg can tell you.

Critisizing muslims on the other hand is very easy.
You can call them "sheep****ers" all you want...until it gets you killed.

And Blacks and white christians are somewhere in the middle. (you can say almost everything about them if you use the right words)

[Mr.Flint]

We do have some double standards here in the Netherlands, but not along the majority/minority line.

The most "protected" group are the Jews, by far.
It's realy dufficult to say anything bad about Jews without being called anti-semetic.
Even standing up for the rights of innocent Palestinians is difficult in some areas of Amsterdam, as Greta Duisenberg can tell you.

Critisizing muslims on the other hand is very easy.
You can call them "sheep****ers" all you want...until it gets you killed.

And Blacks and white christians are somewhere in the middle. (you can say almost everything about them if you use the right words)

Same thing in Canada only opposite, the most protected group are muslims, especially palestinians....
You can say anything against jews and you can appeal when you get slapped with a pitifull punishment of paying 2000 bucks....
You can crash a university hall, and mob the attendees and you are clean since you are Palestinian....
Double standarts in their prime....

[RusskiSoldat]

No, social standards imposed by PC bring whites to a general disadvantage.
A white male is less free than a black one.

[Hub'ite]

I'd have to disagree with you Kanaric. The minorities can say whatever they want while the majority has to walk around on their tiptoes. My girlfriend was watching this show about a bunch of black girl friends and they were talking bad about white males. If there was a show about white people talking bad about black people it would be cancelled and there would be an outrage. And you can't refer a black person as a "black" person. You have to call them African American or something. But it's ok to say white person. Seems kind of dumb to me. America has become too politicaly correct.

[Shadows]

Screaming Eagle, without reading any other posts here you are 100% right. why should he be dissing his own country like that. just f'ing leave, i'm sure not to many people will miss someone like him.

[Guderian]

Well here in Australia a 23 year old Vietnamese Australian just got executed in Singapore for trying to smuggle heroin to Australia, meanwhile an upper class white, blue eyed Australian model just walked out of Indonesian prison, where she was incarcerated for drug possesion, another white, blue eyed Australian women got her sentence reduced from life to 25 years for smuggling a baggage full of marijuana into Indonesia...

Menawhile back in Australia, talkback radio shows were full of callers applauding the execution of the Vietnamese Australian, while condemning the media for it's role in trying to investigate the claims that the Australian model's family had bribed Indonesian offcials to get her out. Some even said bribes were justified, anything was justified to get her out of Indonesian prison.

I do agree that there is a double standard when it comes to ethnicity, but not the way you describe it.

[imb39]

When I was living in Egypt, I was never searched as I went through customs in Cairo. Two of my friends came over from England and they were both searched. They are both of Asian extraction (India for the Americans ). As a white man, I can get away with murder, I suspect, in many parts of the world. No, I think I am incredibly lucky to be living in times where my skin colour confers advantages which, quite frankly, I do not deserve. I also have blue eyes, but mousy brown hair.

It always strikes me that as a white man, my advantage seems to be more pronounced in the developing world where, predominantly, the people are not white. Having said that, traders know that I'm easy prey when it comes to bartering. I generally get my frinds to help out. I'm getting better, though...

[1{H][NA]

If you want double standard than just go listen to chris rock. but double standards also exist in the real world (ie work) where whites often have an advantage over minorities. so neither is side is really right or worng, except that this seems to be a human flaw.

[viteLius]

Adding to what Guderian said, and from what i experience in australia, there is definently an under-current of racism towards asians in Aus. Look at the outcry against the jailing of schapple corby, compared to the acceptance of Van Nguyens execution. Andrew Bolt, a white australian journo wrote two articles in which he attacked Van Nguyens sympathisers. His article today wondered why we sympathise with Van Nguyen when we still practice abortion...