[HISTORICAL ISSUE] - Balkan Rulers

[2Shy]

Please matija and bagatyr put some spoilers .

[matija191]

Ok thanks Matija, for this lights. Usually, in catholic Europa, rare was the Church lords to have as much double power...

no problem...I am glad that I can help you

[matija191]

Please matija and bagatyr put some spoilers .

done

[Bagatyr]

Ivan Shishman (1371-1395)

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[gogo t]

http://www1.znam.bg/resources/2/4288781677.jpg
what is that, and from were is it?

[Bagatyr]

seal of Ivan Shishman from the diploma about Rila monastery

[Bagatyr]

Bulgarian aristocracy XIV century :

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[Carpathian Wolf]

Love how the eyes or face is always scratched out...

[SpyrosM91]

is this done by the turks??

[DobroVece]

is this done by the turks??

If so you would think that someone would restore them by now...

[Wallachian]

Yeah, was this done on purpose or is it simply the hands of time and degradation?

Also, were there any new churches and the like built during the Ottoman occupation of Bulgaria? Like did the cultural and religious life of the country stagnate in that period? Why I'm asking is because I haven't noticed any paintings like these put up after 14th century.

[slavic_crusader]

werent they "tolerate" to the different religions??

[DobroVece]

werent they "tolerate" to the different religions??

Sure mate, they were so tolerant to different religions that we now have Bosniak nation, Muslim Albania, not to speak of humanitarian custom of taking children to Janissary.

[slavic_crusader]

Yeah thats why i inverted tolerant in "" LOL
Its very conficting argument there

[DobroVece]

Ah sorry mate, I'm bit drunk so slow to catch up.

[slavic_crusader]

same LOL

[Wallachian]

Big LOL to you guys being drunk on TWC I've done that before and it can get tricky trying to make sense )

Well id say they were tolerant to a certain extant. I mean christian pilgrims could still go to the holy land, there was still a patriarchate at constantinopole and besides Bosnia and Albania there weren't that many regions converted. IMHO most people converted to get tax breaks, benefits, access to better careers rather then being forced into it. Then again we do have the janissaries who were taken and raised under Islam faith. In fact id say different Christian denominations were more intolerant of each other.

[NikeBG]

Yeah, was this done on purpose or is it simply the hands of time and degradation?

Also, were there any new churches and the like built during the Ottoman occupation of Bulgaria? Like did the cultural and religious life of the country stagnate in that period? Why I'm asking is because I haven't noticed any paintings like these put up after 14th century.

As far as I know, it was done on purpose, because Islam forbids the painting of faces and especially if they're to be used in an iconic matter (for worship, which they viewed as idolatry). I only can't say whether the Turks gauged the eyes of the icons or they ordered the Christians to do it.

As for churches built in Ottoman times - yes, many were built or re-built and a lot of the frescoes we now have preserved are exactly from those times. There were, of course, some limitations imposed by the Ottomans, f.e. concerning the height of the church etc. (that's why many churches from those times are built half-way inside/under the ground level, like this).

[Carpathian Wolf]

The Ottomans didn't much care about painting faces. Ottoman Illumination does that although there is an issue about the faces not being so distinct that it gives the artist a 'personal touch' thus leading to arrogance.

[Zmaj od Noćaja]

MACEDONIAN rulers:
- Dinasty of Mrnjavčevi, Volkašin and Marko
- Dobromir Hrs,
- Samoil

probebly Brankovič vas also from Macedonian origin!

Macedonia in medieval? You're a great joker.