Best cavalry and infantry

[chrono672]

I have done many 1v1 tests in custom battle to find out the best cavalry and infantry. And the result is the best cavalry is Scholarii and best infantry is swiss pikeman.

And I finally did a ultimate test of Scholarii vs Swiess pikeman, the battle is too fierce that it make my game crashes and i cant open my game again, guess i have to reintall.

[danielrech]

I have done many 1v1 tests in custom battle to find out the best cavalry and infantry. And the result is the best cavalry is Scholarii and best infantry is swiss pikeman.

And I finally did a ultimate test of Scholarii vs Swiess pikeman, the battle is too fierce that it make my game crashes and i cant open my game again, guess i have to reintall.

Regarding the top-tier heavy cavalry, I've found that it is a four-piece rock-paper-scissors type of game:

- Constable Of Jerusalem beats Scholarii
- Lancers beat Constable Of J
- Gothic Knights beat Lancers
- Scholarii beats Gothics

This is assuming perfect charge timing and flat terrain (grass plain).

[chrono672]

Regarding the top-tier heavy cavalry, I've found that it is a four-piece rock-paper-scissors type of game:

- Constable Of Jerusalem beats Scholarii
- Lancers beat Constable Of J
- Gothic Knights beat Lancers
- Scholarii beats Gothics

This is assuming perfect charge timing and flat terrain (grass plain).

Strange, for me my Scholarii beats all top-tier cavalry in 1v1, you should try it on custom battle, or maybe you hae different version? i use the latest patch.

[danielrech]

Strange, for me my Scholarii beats all top-tier cavalry in 1v1, you should try it on custom battle, or maybe you hae different version? i use the latest patch.

Try putting the Constable Of Jerusalem in a column depth of 3 against the Scholarii. With the default depth of 2, the Constable formation becomes so wide that many of the men on the wings end up charging only the air, and take a long time to come back to fight.

[Andrew1994]

Well in real time battles you will not have 1vs1 unit battles but will win through combinations.
For example Pikemen is not very good by itself.
But if you have halberdiers AND heavy cavarly(and probably some artillery or arhcers covering you)you are invisible.
Pikemen beats cavarly
Then you put your halberds behing them and at the right time you throw them into combat.Try to flank the enemy with your cavarly and use the pikemen at your flanks(after defeating their cavarly)to incircle them(same with cavarly).
Battle is over.

See-With the right combinations militia can even beat an elite army

[chrono672]

Well in real time battles you will not have 1vs1 unit battles but will win through combinations.
For example Pikemen is not very good by itself.
But if you have halberdiers AND heavy cavarly(and probably some artillery or arhcers covering you)you are invisible.
Pikemen beats cavarly
Then you put your halberds behing them and at the right time you throw them into combat.Try to flank the enemy with your cavarly and use the pikemen at your flanks(after defeating their cavarly)to incircle them(same with cavarly).
Battle is over.

See-With the right combinations militia can even beat an elite army

Yes, but i just want to find out the best unit in 1v1 melee combat, and the swiss pike beats all other heavy infantry alone

[k/t]

To make your tests mean something, you have to change the numbers of men in each unit to make them equal. Scholarii have 80 guys and the Constable has 120, which is hardly fair for the 60 of the others.

Same deal with the infantry.

[chrono672]

Numbers is part of the strength of a unit, it is the setting in this mod, and i am camparing strength among units, so it is not a problem. And more units doesn't mean they can have an absolute advantage, well, 80 Schohlarii can beat 120 Constables, all my tests are done over 5 times in grassy plain. And i also found out that unit stats also not so reliable, Scholarii with lower attack and armor can beat gothic knights or lancers with hight attack armor values, so i think there are hidden stats or attributes like very hardy makes a different?

[chrono672]

Ah.. i have found the problem it is the ap attribute that makes those Scholarii so God like.
Btw, i have missed out the elephants in the test, if i include them no doubt that they will be the best cavalry instead, and it is suprising that the best cavalry and infantry are both mercenaries 0.0.

[Point Blank]

Scholarii are the slowest cavalry in the game and have a very high heat stat.

[NewUser]

Yes, you have to factor in more than just damage and AP. The speed of cavalry is very important as it allows you to actually maneuver. Without speed your cavalry cannot flank and can only serve as shock troops.

[Ziltoid]

Without any testing and just going by the feel. Id say best units (non-mercenary) would be Lancers as horsemen, and Janissary Heavy Infantry for footmen.

Lancers are just devastatingly heavy and effective and come also with low upkeep and big unit size, only thing they miss is AP attribute to be perfect. Early Reiters could also be added here as sort of unique curiosity, Gothic Knights with pistols, mobile heavy armor combined with gunpowder shot is truely tough combination.

Janissaries are very deadly and one of those halberd units that move fast and able to fight just as good without any slowing down special formations. So they are very fast and versatile and can fight well on top of walls too.

Anyways, these would be my preferences and personal picks, not the ultimate truth when it comes to 1vs1 tests on custom battle.

[Gogolometro]

Add to this teutonic units, their Ritten bros, both cavalry and infantry are absolutly superb. I say this because availability of the lancers is very, very late.
If I think in terms of balance and cost are other even cheaper and very effective.

[chrono672]

Heres a list of best units in some more detailed categorys =)

Best Charging Cavalrys: France - Lancer , Western factions - Gendarmes
Best Melee Cavalry : Roman Empire - Scholari
Best Horse Archer(excluding firearm units): Mongol - Khorchi Horse Archers
Best Heavy Infantry: Swiss Pikeman
Best Twohanders: Turk - Janissary Heavy Infantry

In conclusion, Lancer and Gendarmes are good for charge&run and flanking tactics and are not good prolonged melee, Scholarri is good in melee against anything(except elephants) even Swiss pikeman. Khorchi Horse Archers are best HA because of their long range, heavy armor and accuracy. Swiss Pikeman can beat any infantry even without any support, but dies quickly when flanked. Janissary Heavy Infantry are good against any infantry except well trained pikemen, but also die quickly when flanked. IMO, Heavy shield&Sword infantry like Chivalric Foot Knights are more useful since they can hold longer even when flanked and have more defense against missiles.

[Gogolometro]

In my opinion, and will sound wierd, best infantry, lucky for factions have them, are hand gunners. Cheap, well armored, guns.
Because are lot of fans of swiss, I can add are 2 handers too, armored and unarmored versios of pikes, and the elite specialists of pope too.
For versatility, I will add special infantry, the halebardiers of western powers. JHI are just elite two handers, and I thing, danes, HRE, pope, teutons got their elite units exactly like that too.
For cavalry, anything get huge armor, great damage of charge and high melee factor will get apreciation. Lancers are a legend, but even Genova have something similiar.

[Gogolometro]

I was wrong and I was right. No halebardier, swiss, danes or teutonic can stop the mighty janiesaries. They cut it like butter with large rotation of their weapons. Masacre.
But I put my trust in my handgunners, and what a surprize, they beat the janisaries. Ideea is place your hangunners in 2 lines, and let them have their only 2 salvos. The janiesaries will stop their charge a bit, and add the advantage of losing stamina. Handunners go to sword and shield, and this will stop and block the turkish weapons. At the end remain 3 janisaries and 15 hangunners.

[Gogolometro]

I continued testing JHI versus various factions/units. Gothic almost got them, in the end only 6 turks remaining. The oposition from bysantines varangoi is a joke, canons of the holy lands are transformed in mashed potatoes, and almost any unit, 2handed or shield melee die in front of the mighty of sultan. Except the ritten bros of Teutonic and HRE. They win killing all janisaries, but at end oin battlefield remain captain, flag sargent, and only one horned demon of teutonic militaristic power.

[Point Blank]

I continued testing JHI versus various factions/units. Gothic almost got them, in the end only 6 turks remaining. The oposition from bysantines varangoi is a joke, canons of the holy lands are transformed in mashed potatoes, and almost any unit, 2handed or shield melee die in front of the mighty of sultan. Except the ritten bros of Teutonic and HRE. They win killing all janisaries, but at end oin battlefield remain captain, flag sargent, and only one horned demon of teutonic militaristic power.

OK try Janissaries versus fully upgraded Imperial Foot Knights in Gothic armor, mace + shield. But yes, Janissaries also get very good terrain bonuses and heat stat...Also remember Janissaries are a Late-era unit...

[frank_garrett]

the tetuanic order cavarly

[rusnmat]

I tried a few battles with the same results:
Janissaries beat gothic foot knights
gothic foot knights beat foot Ritterbrüders
foot Ritterbrüders beat Janissaries
The best missile units:
Retinue longbowmen and dismounted Bekh Druzhina.
Bekh Druzhina has the longest range.