Rohan AI weak?

[Puerkl8r]

I was playing with FoW off to observe how the other factions fare against eachother, and most of them can hold their own against eachother except Rohan vs Isenguard. A full stack of Rohan might lose to a half stack of Isenguard, which is something i have never seen with any other faction. Would that be because Isenguard has a lot of pike men and Rohan is primarily cavalry? Some balancing might need to be done for this match-up, even though it is probably fine in the players hands, it seems pretty one sided for the AI.

[newt]

I see the same thing with Eriador vs O. of Gundabad. (gundabad murders them)

[Puerkl8r]

In my game Eriador is definitely struggling but they have kept them at bay so far, and being the dwarfs, i am in a position to help out a little, though I haven't really yet.

[newt]

They can defend their cities, but they lose every field battle

[Puerkl8r]

yeah that sounds about right. Rohan can't even defend their cities though.

[Benox]

in every game i've played rohan lose against isengard, i remeber send a full stack of the best cavalry against a full stack of harad, in auto resolve i lose badly but when i played i win really easily, i think rohan need more autoresolve balance

[Gharbad the Weak]

in every game i've played rohan lose against isengard, i remeber send a full stack of the best cavalry against a full stack of harad, in auto resolve i lose badly but when i played i win really easily, i think rohan need more autoresolve balance

You shouldn't auto-resolve in TATW. Rohan isn't weak, but you shouldn't depend on their cavalry too much, and try to avoid sieges against evil factions. Catch them in the field and use your infantry to pin their pikes or spears, thin them out with archers and hammer them from behind with cavalry.

I got this yesterday on VH/VH... Rohan isn't weak, just adapt and don't use full stacks of cavalry like in the movies.

[newt]

Rohan had all of their family members in Helm's Deep in my current campaign, and Isengard killed them all in one battle and destroyed the faction

[ShADoW]

Rohan had all of their family members in Helm's Deep in my current campaign, and Isengard killed them all in one battle and destroyed the faction

[Wegen7 die Große]

I think its because isengard(and all the evil orcish factions) have larger amounts of troops in each regiment which in autoresolve would give isengard more of the favor then that of the good factions, which i guess is why the good factions have better quality troops(and because its lore accurate).

[KSI Crusader 7x]

playing as eriador is pretty easy for me because i just turn them into arnor and let the slaughtering begin =)

[Deepcrush]

When you charge, remember that only the front row hits with the charge bonus (or so it seems in the game). So stretch you cav out and work them in pairs. Have on unit ram while another breaks away. That way you can keep repeating your hits in a localized area and really deal some hurt. If you leave your cav in a drawn out melee with Isengard, its going to go poorly for you.

[Puerkl8r]

This topic is about Rohan in the AI hands not playing as Rohan.

[Gharbad the Weak]

This topic is about Rohan in the AI hands not playing as Rohan.

Sorry I guess I didn't read the first post thoroughly .. I should pay more attention

[slowbro]

It is very true to the lore the weak Rohan if nothing else only a miracle saved them in the books (and no elves came to the rescue)

[LordHoth]

It is very true to the lore the weak Rohan if nothing else only a miracle saved them in the books (and no elves came to the rescue)

Only partially correct. Miracles also saved Gondor, the Elves of Lothlorien, Dale... Rohirrim cavalry was excellent, and they did hold their own against Isengard. If they had truly been so weak, there would not have been a need for several Battles of the Isen, but Rohan would have been wiped clear after the first hit.

Also, as we can see from Helm's Deep, Rohan had excellent infantry and skilled captains to command them. That they were all not at Edoras all the time is irrelevant and should not even come to attention. What should though, is that even against a force of Uruk-hai, the Rohirrim could hold their own -- simply not when the enemy had lots of more soldiers.

[Deepcrush]

Sorry, I was responding onto Gharbads battle and the thoughts just rolled through my head. Just ignore it then.

[WARdrobe]

Well I think Rohan is doing better than in 1.4. In my Eriador campaign they took back Edoras after the invasion and in my HE campaign it took 3 invasions before Edoras fell. They were still losing in the end but I helped out.

[Chris Nihilus]

I play as Gondor in 2.0, and i played as Silvan Elves in the 1.4, and every time Rohan is brutally murdered from Isengard.
Now in my current campaign i have a diplomat in Rohan territory and, when i can, i send a lot of money to my ally, sometime troops to help and, two times, i conquered a stolen village from Isengard and give back to Rohan. And still, it's a game of resistance, Rohan is not able to expand.

But for me it's ok, i like to have the Evil faction much stronger than Good.

[Aronor]

The only reason why Rohan was weak in the books was because of the illness of their king,Theoden and therefore no other lord had the power to unite the warriors from all the regions of Rohan and lead them against Isenguard.So they only were weak in numbers as Isenguard had masses of orcs.Regarding the AI balance at the campaign,it is unfortunately true that most of the times Rohan seems to loose all their settlements to Isenguard despite all the economic and military support I provide (as Gondor).In my last campaign however in 2.1 the forces of Rohan kept Isenguard away from their settlements.I don't know though if it was just pure luck that saved Rohan.