[Decision] Addition to the Full CdeC Transparency preamble

[Empress Meg]

Supporters: Mr MM, magpie, irishron

This makes the matter of who can move the cases to the trial forum clear.

Preamble

[...]

Before any disciplinary action or citizenship application takes place, I Empress Meg, Curator, will ask the person in question (citizen applicant or defendant) if they would like their thread to be completely public (viewable, but only the CdeC may post including myself and Hex) or if their case will remain in the private CdeC forum.

Any member of the CdeC may determine if the candidate (citizen applicant or defendant in disciplinary cases) wishes their case to be part of the transparency trial or if their case will remain in the private CdeC forum. Should the applicant desire to take part in the transparency trial, any member of the CdeC may open a thread in the "CdeC Transparency Trial" forum for adjudication, just as they would for a standard CdeC case. They will also note that action in the Pater Familias thread.
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Devoirs The Empress

EDIT: To reflect CdeC lexicon.

[M D]

Support

[Nanny de Bodemloze]

support

[irishron]

Support.

[karamazovmm]

support

I like meg's proposition there is little to be discussed, southern action is in place!

[Augustus Lucifer]

Neither support nor oppose. Seems easy enough for the Curator or Assistant to do it. CdeC members don't technically have moderating powers in the Curia, and Moderators are strongly discouraged from using them. Assuming the Curator/Assistant log on a few times a day I don't think the time difference it takes to wait is especially relevant.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting though. If what you mean is not 'move' as in 'move thread' but rather post the case in that forum first, then I see no issue with that.

(The fact we even have to amend this though makes me die a little inside)

[Capt. Fozdike]

Neither support nor oppose. Seems easy enough for the Curator or Assistant to do it. CdeC members don't technically have moderating powers in the Curia, and Moderators are strongly discouraged from using them. Assuming the Curator/Assistant log on a few times a day I don't think the time difference it takes to wait is especially relevant.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting though. If what you mean is not 'move' as in 'move thread' but rather post the case in that forum first, then I see no issue with that.

(The fact we even have to amend this though makes me die a little inside)

I agree with this... even though I haven't bothered to read it.

But seriously, I think that the Curator and and the Curators Assistant should suffice.

Opposed.

[Viking Prince]

I am with the 'wall of text' guy above. Meh.

[magpie]

support!

[Harry Lime]

Opposed.

If this passes, to implement it all CdeC members will have to be given local mod powers in the Curia. Something that currently resides only with the Curator and the assistant and I still remember the hullabaloo that happened the last time the assistant used those powers (under a previous Curial administration). Also as provisional 'head' of the CdeC then the Curator should be the one to make that judgement unless they wish to make themselves redundant in which case this decision seems to be the perfect way to achieve that.

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

Opposed.

If this passes, to implement it all CdeC members will have to be given local mod powers in the Curia. Something that currently resides only with the Curator and the assistant and I still remember the hullabaloo that happened the last time the assistant used those powers (under a previous Curial administration). Also as provisional 'head' of the CdeC then the Curator should be the one to make that judgement unless they wish to make themselves redundant in which case this decision seems to be the perfect way to achieve that.

"Too many cooks, spoil the soup."

[Lysimachus]

I support. The fact people are overanalysing this astonishes me considering it's such a minor proposal.

[the Black Prince]

a decision is the curia asking the staff to do something...

why would we be asking staff to do this? Staff, as a rule, don't get involved in the Curia, let alone the inner administration of the CdeC...

[Nole4694]

What this proposal is saying is that if the applicant/defender has clearly stated that they want their application/case public then the CdeC members are allowed to move it into the trial forum if they have the power to. There seems to have been confusion about this when Hesus de bodemloze didn't know if he was allowed to move it himself or not.


I don't see any reason to oppose it as this is just clearing the air, a support from me.

[Squid]

Oppose, there's no need for all of CdeC to get moderation powers, the curator and assistant should be more than capable of handling. If a few posts happen to be made before such and eventuality then so be it, they will still be in the thread when it does get moved.

[Empress Meg]

Okay, what I am trying to do here is exactly what the CdeC members may now do in the Pater Familias. Any member of the CdeC may copy a person's citizenship application from the Pater Familias forum into the trial forum. I want the same terms and conditions for the trial forum for everyone, just like in the current private system. How do I say that in curial terms?

I'm worried that because a CdeC member may move a citizenship application into the trial forum (and they not being the curator) that that case will be invalid due to the move.

Devoirs The Empress

[Admiral Piett]

I understand what you're getting at, it kinda lightens the load off the Curator when it comes to citizen applications. (Of which I'm sure there are many)

But in essence this would increase the power of CdeC?

[Empress Meg]

I understand what you're getting at, it kinda lightens the load off the Curator when it comes to citizen applications. (Of which I'm sure there are many)

But in essence this would increase the power of CdeC?

How would it increase their power? They can already do this in the PF. I've no idea where the disconnect is between what they do now and allowing them to do it for the trial forum as well. :S

Devoirs The Empress

[M D]

It also says,

I, Empress Meg

So...

[Empress Meg]

What are you guys on about? It's something that they can already do now. What's all of this about local mod powers and becoming staff? They can already DO it in the PF.

Devoirs The Empress

EDIT:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...86574#sec3art2

1. The nominee sends the patron a PM explaining his duties and privileges as a Citizen, and his contributions to the community. The patron posts this paragraph, along with his own, outlining why he nominated this member, in a new thread in the Patronization forum.
2. A CdeC member opens a thread in the CdeC Forum.
3. A CdeC member responds to the corresponding thread in the Patronization forum, denoting that the proposition has been moved to discussion.

This is all I'm asking be allowed in the preamble because it is in line with what is already set in place by the curia and in accordance with what the CdeC already does.