Roman Civil War

[Helvert]

What time does the Roman Civil War usually start? I'm getting a bit worried because Scipii have a bunch of little armies sitting around in my territory

It's 225 BC at the moment

[♔Lord Stason♔]

It's only ever happened to me whilst attacking the sentate, or senate finally get worried about my power and popularity towards the mass and request that my faction leader is to be removed.

When choosing not too i receive letters of war.

causing civil war amongst parties in Rome.

As far as strategies go towards waging war on Rome you have to make allies that will occupy Scipii and the Brutii families whilst you remove SPQR. At that time you will need experienced numourous soldiers to deal with them. If you don't deal with SPQR soldiers first you will surely loose the civil war due to their troops havng bundles of experience as compared to other roman families.

You must make sure that Scppii, and the Brutii attentions are turned else where.

[Lucarius]

You must make sure that Scppii, and the Brutii attentions are turned else where.

Yes, that's a great Strategy,
most of the time the Scipii romans are busy with North Africa (sometimes Spain) and the Brutii with Pontus (maybe Macedon if you are lucky)
and what i always do is sending big armies to the South of italy with my boats to take the Brutii capital there and then also invade from the North. (when playing as Julii)

[CarthagianNewbie]

Are you currently the "Largest" faction? Until you are I would not worry so much about the Civil War. Additionally, have the reforms of Marius kicked in? I've never had the civil war start until after they have. Lastly, if you have concerns stationing a Archer Auxilia unit in each city is a good method of defense against the AI.

[eXistenZ]

Wel as long as the senate missions offer rewards instead of penalty's, you got nothing to worry about. 225 BC is a bit soon too i think

[StealthEvo]

They start giving you pointlessly difficult missions as well IIRC. I'm not spending too much time with Vanilla Roman factions at the moment. So I can't give a definite answer sadly. But I remember once apon a time being asked to take various cities in 5 turns when I was no where near them.

[HERO_331]

Everyone has mentioned good strategies. Although I don't believe that the date has anything to do with it, although I'm pretty sure that you won't get the 'A Chance for Power' message until the Marian Reforms have occurred. I would also suggest that you attack Rome early instead of waiting for the Senate to outlaw you.

[Xellos_Moon]

Its a chain reaction. Once you have a large enough territory(maybe somewhat 25-30 settlements) you will automatically get the marian reforms no matter what the date. Then if you have a large enough territory(maybe 30-40) you will get a chance for power....

[Bow-wow-wow]

Its a chain reaction. Once you have a large enough territory(maybe somewhat 25-30 settlements) you will automatically get the marian reforms no matter what the date. Then if you have a large enough territory(maybe 30-40) you will get a chance for power....

what exactly is the "chance for power?"

[HERO_331]

what exactly is the "chance for power?"

It's the message you get when you are able to attack the other Roman factions. It will pop up just like any other message.

And I thought that the Marian Reforms occurred when the first Italian city built an Imperial Palace.

[Xellos_Moon]

It's the message you get when you are able to attack the other Roman factions. It will pop up just like any other message.

And I thought that the Marian Reforms occurred when the first Italian city built an Imperial Palace.

i think thats possible also... After all it does in some mods like SPQR.

[MARINUS MAXIMUS]

Personally I've never encountered the civil war to be honest. I can't wait though, sounds way cool, ignoring the senate's pleads to order your faction leader to commit suicide... HAHAHA

One question, what's IIRC short for, can't wrap my coconut around it

[Bow-wow-wow]

It's the message you get when you are able to attack the other Roman factions. It will pop up just like any other message.

And I thought that the Marian Reforms occurred when the first Italian city built an Imperial Palace.

Do you need it to attack the other Roman factions? I've started campaigns as Romans and on the first turn to expirement, I attacked the other Roman Factions and I'm pretty sure I never got that message.

[MortenJessen]

Do you need it to attack the other Roman factions? I've started campaigns as Romans and on the first turn to expirement, I attacked the other Roman Factions and I'm pretty sure I never got that message.

Hi there.
Of course not. You need the support of the Plebs before you can attack Rome, or you need Rome to declare war on you (or any of the two other roman factions, since not following the Senate to war, also makes you an outcast, and at war with the other roman families), that is the civil war. Strange thing is though, that it NEVER happens if you are playing as a non-roman faction.
Y.S.
M. Jessen

[StealthEvo]

"If I Recall Correctly"

[Arvedui01]

The "A Chance for Power," message does not allow you to attack the other factions (Scipii and Brutii,) it merely suggests the time is ripe for attack. You can start the civil war yourself at any point in the game. You can't attack the Senate directly until the message pops up though.

For a little more information on the matter I suggest this thread:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=169607

[sirfiggin]

has anyone ever played on the side of the senate in a civil war, and if so did you turn it on its head and seize power or try to restore the status quo?

[Xellos_Moon]

has anyone ever played on the side of the senate in a civil war, and if so did you turn it on its head and seize power or try to restore the status quo?

Sadly no. Ive tried that with my campaign as the julii. I tried to go very slow so naturally the brutti went really big. The after a while the senate suddenly declared the brutii "enemies of rome". I wanted to fight the brutii but the very next turn they declared ME an enemy too!