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    Currently I'm reading a book by Randy White. His books are Florida centered novels typically and what makes them cool is they dive into everything from prehistory to the wild life and geology of Florida. The latest book has been talking a bit about Florida's wild life and how so many foreign species are coming into the state. For instance the Nile Monitor Lizard. A 6 foot poisonous lizard, looking just like a Komodo Dragon thrives in central Florida. Other things he talks about is the Python. Which alot of people already know, we have 100k + of the damn things living in the glades fighting it out with our native gators and crocs. Plus we have bobcats, mountain lions (<-- they introduced those to save the florida panther but it's pretty much the same thing) not to mention bears. Damn there is alot of that can kill you down here. We also have monkey populations in my old neighborhood in Tampa. Infact, they have the mystery monkey of tampa which shows up and annoys the neighbors in the subdivisions for the past two years. Parrot pops from South America are running around in south florida. Anyhow, back to the pythons...

    So they are in a struggle to become the apex predator and we really can't do a whole lot to stop them given the amount of federal land down south. The state can't actively send in bounty hunters like they have done on state land. COngress would have to act and so far it's been pretty futile. To throw in a new twist, another version of the python is coming into play. The African Rock Python, it's the African killer bee version of the python. It's incredibly aggressive and they caught a snake that was upwards of 13 feet several months back. Now there is a worry that these things are breeding with the burmese and ball pythons to create a new species of python creating an even stronger and larger snake that's got a bad fricken attitude.

    anyhow here's a nat geo article on it:

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    Quote Originally Posted by http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/09/090911-pythons-florida-giant-snakes_2.html
    Already squeezed by the invasion of the giant Burmese python, Florida now faces what one scientist calls one of the U.S. state's "worst nightmares."

    Africa's largest snake—the ill-tempered, 20-foot-long (6.1-meter-long) African rock python—is colonizing the U.S. state, new discoveries suggest.

    Six African rock pythons have been found in Florida since 2002. More troubling, a pregnant female and two hatchlings have been found, which means the aggressive reptiles have set up house.

    More dangerous than even Burmese pythons—which are known to eat alligators (alligator-python picture)—the African pythons are "so mean, they come out of the egg striking," said Kenneth Krysko, senior herpetologist at the Florida Museum of Natural History in Gainesville.

    "This is just one vicious animal."

    So far the giant snakes have been found only in a single square mile (2.6 square kilometers) of suburban area west of Miami. Pet breeders unprepared for the pythons' ferocity may have released them, Krysko said.

    What's "really scary" is that the new invaders only have to cross the road to enter Everglades National Park, where Burmese pythons have already eaten thousands of native animals, he said.

    With the addition of the rock python, Florida is now an established home-away-from-home for three large alien constrictors—including the Burmese species and the boa constrictor—according to wildlife biologist Robert Reed, who studies invasive reptiles for the U.S. Geological Survey in Fort Collins, Colorado.

    (The Florida python crisis will be covered in a future episode of Explorer on the U.S. National Geographic Channel. The National Geographic Channel is part-owned by the National Geographic Society, which owns National Geographic News.)

    Pythons Threaten Mice and Men

    In its native habitat, sub-Saharan Africa, the African rock python eats small mammals, antelope, warthog, herons, and other animals.

    In Florida the African snake might "eat almost any warm-blooded animal that is big enough to ingest," as the Burmese python does, USGS's Reed said.

    "Dozens of species of native wildlife, from white-tailed deer to 6-foot [183-centimeter] alligators to birds, have been found in the digestive tracts of Burmese pythons in Florida," said Reed, who is also working with the Florida museum's Krysko on the Florida python problem.

    Also like the Burmese python, the African snake is a constrictor. Lacking poison, it kills animals by encircling and literally squeezing the life out of them.

    (Related: See a Burmese python digesting a pregnant sheep.)

    Florida wildlife may not be the only creatures at risk. In Africa, rock pythons are known to have attacked humans, Krysko said.

    Hidden in a Florida swamp, he added, the African python "could strike you and you wouldn't even know it was there."

    Python + Python = Hybrid Supersnake?

    African pythons have likely already made it into the Everglades, Krysko said. If so, it shouldn't be long before they encounter their Burmese cousins.

    If the two python species mate, they may spawn a hybrid species, as has happened in captivity. And because of a biological phenomenon called hybrid vigor, there's an off chance the resulting snakes could be hardier, more powerful predators—assuming they're not sterile, as many hybrids are—USGS's Reed said.

    "We can't rule out the possibility," Reed said, "that the introduction of genes from a different species might do something that would allow [the rock pythons] to be even more effective at persisting in Florida and perhaps expanding."

    Worse Than the Burmese Python?

    The rock python's expansion mirrors the Burmese snake's explosion for some Florida conservationists—and a chance to learn from past mistakes.

    "The thing that scares me the most is that this could be another Burmese python," said Kristina Serbesoff-King, invasive species program manager for the nonprofit Nature Conservancy in Florida. (Read biologist Stuart Pimm's take on tackling the Florida python crisis.)

    In a 1994 report the Florida Department of Environmental Protection sounded the alarm about the explosion of invasive species in the state, whose warmth and major international ports put it at particular risk.

    The report specifically named the African rock python as a threat to pets, native wildlife, and small children. The advisory, however, predicted that in Florida the African snake would be unable to breed in the wild.

    "Here we are, 15 years later, and that whole ounce-of-prevention story is so glaring," Serbesoff-King said.

    "There's a real opportunity to [mount] an aggressive response" to get rid of the African rock python while the giant snake is still limited to a relatively small area, Serbesoff-King added.

    One model, she said, may be the "python patrol" that the Nature Conservancy set up in the Florida Keys. After the Burmese python swam from the Everglades to the island chain and began munching rare Keys wildlife, the team started searching for and capturing the snakes to slow the species' spread.

    The Florida museum's Krysko and USGS's Reed both agree that the African snake must be knocked out—and now.

    The arrival of the Burmese python "was the biggest, [most] devastating problem that Florida ever could have imagined," Krysko said.

    "Now we have a worse one."
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    And this is why I love living in the frozen north!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan the Man View Post
    And this is why I love living in the frozen north!
    This. The worst I have to deal with is the occasional wolf spider during the summer, since I dont live far enough north to run into one of these fellas:

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    Glad I don't live in Florida

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    Here's one:



    One of the things i've always liked about living here is to understand just how fricken old the place is. Hundreds of thousands of indians inhabited this place for the last 14k years. Reason being obviously because of the climate, especially during the iceages.

    What's really cool is that it's not uncommon to go cave diving and run into a mommoth tusk, or stumble upon some clovis points. And because of the climate and stbility of this place, we literally have walking dinosaurs:



    And we also have the climate to create things like the pic above.

    Let me see if I can find the pic I posted a long ass time ago about the 14 ft gator caught down the street from me

    edit: found it!



    caught not 5 mins from me.
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    There was a story about a snake and a gator fighting in the Everglades. The gator managed to swallow the gator but the snake later busted out of the gators stomach. (or maybe it was the other way around) They should definatly make a movie about that.

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    Have you ever seen a python eating a kid?


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    Quote Originally Posted by davide.cool View Post
    Have you ever seen a python eating a kid?

    It's not a kid it's a pregnant sheep and the snake is not eating but regurgitating it:

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ython-ewe.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by davide.cool View Post
    So be it. But it's not THAT python in the picture

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    I know even if there's no size difference between a sheep and a kid. Once eaten, a kid swallowed would look like the photo i posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by davide.cool View Post
    I know even if there's no size difference between a sheep and a kid. Once eaten, a kid swallowed would look like the photo i posted
    You're not wrong. A kid is another name for a young goat.




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    this is scary... by National Geographic
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    Ahhh Florida... so calm and serene and such a party spot. Warm beaches, Disney World... what could go wrong?

    So you get there and THERE'S A FREAKING HURRICANE while you're sweating it out in the jungle, then on the plane ride back THERE'S FREAKING SUPER GENETIC MUTANT KILLER SNAKES ON YO PLANE!

    Sounds about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davide.cool View Post
    I know even if there's no size difference between a sheep and a kid. Once eaten, a kid swallowed would look like the photo i posted
    yes it would certainly look similar, maybe not quite that compact though

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    Lol today I was in a national park where they had a vipera berus population and I was rather scared and I tried to avoid tall grass. So you might understand that I will never ever go to the Everglades.
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    A friend of friends time ago had a big snake home and the guy was usual to let it free in the garden and house for all day and night long. A day, this guy woke up and found that the snake was lying in straight position next to it. After that he decided bringing the snake to veterinary asking it why snake was lying in that position close to guy's body.. doctor answered serpent was taking measurements for eating it..

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    We need a Florida Inquisition.
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