Crises in Capitalism

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"In this RSA Animate, renowned academic David Harvey asks if it is time to look beyond capitalism towards a new social order that would allow us to live within a system that really could be responsible, just, and humane?"

What I found most interesting was the way Harvey connects phenomena that I myself considered fairly isolated and separate from one another.

[Deadly Virus]

Great video, I only wish people could take notice of the things said in it rather than constantly finding new ways to justify Capitalist exploitation.

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Well it's not even that. One may be the most ardent liberal, but you should really sit up and realise how broken this really is and go about trying to fix it properly.

[Denny Crane!]

Great video, I only wish people could take notice of the things said in it rather than constantly finding new ways to justify Capitalist exploitation.

Well no we need more purist capitalism not what we have now and certainly not some nameless idea that no one can explain.

I mean if we simply had governments who kept a surplus, that alone would have meant the UK didn't even remotely feel the crisis. If we had been sitting on a 20bn structural surplus and no national debt, the country would have sailed through the crisis and probably capitalised on anyone who hadn't. Never spend what you don't have, pay off the debt you have got. This is something which works for a household, a country shouldn't act differently and should realise it is immoral to gamble on a big spend with other peoples money.

Well it's not even that. One may be the most ardent liberal, but you should really sit up and realise how broken this really is and go about trying to fix it properly.

I'd agree with that but I do hate random assertions towards a vague solution. Actual solutions are what we need. The UK is doing OK at the moment though.

[JP226]

He needs to go back to geography. The MS after my name says he's wrong.

[ShockBlast]

Capitalism is not in a crisis because Capitalism is not used and marxist theory is so retard for labeling the market economy mechanism as Capitalism or capitalist like.You don't like it fine but call me a social democrat,mixted market dog or something,not capitalist.

Anyway,good video,it shows that the market system itself is not working,we need to figure out how we can combine the stability of the command economy and the flexibility of the mixed market economy.

[Deadly Virus]

Capitalism is not in a crisis because Capitalism is not used and marxist theory is so retard for labeling the market economy mechanism as Capitalism or capitalist like.You don't like it fine but call me a social democrat,mixted market dog or something,not capitalist.

Anyway,good video,it shows that the market system itself is not working,we need to figure out how we can combine the stability of the command economy and the flexibility of the mixed market economy.

If you support any form of Capitalism, restricted or not, you are a Capitalist. We're not going to solve the problems of todays world with this Social Democratic nonsense. Capitalism must be completely destroyed, that is something that most people should be able to recognise. The real question is what do we replace it with? I myself have settled with Marxist Socialism, but that's obviously not the only alternative.

[Denny Crane!]

If you support any form of Capitalism, restricted or not, you are a Capitalist. We're not going to solve the problems of todays world with this Social Democratic nonsense. Capitalism must be completely destroyed, that is something that most people should be able to recognise. The real question is what do we replace it with? I myself have settled with Marxist Socialism, but that's obviously not the only alternative.

With no clear plan of how A. You'll stop the superstate you create in the transition period killing everyone as per the historical examples, or how you would get that state not to perpetuate (while killing people) or B. What you would replace capitalism with, I sincerely hope you don't think centrally planned economies (requires a state and is still semi capitalistic as it is never eradicated hell a neighbour swapping a fish for a bushel of wheat is capitalism).

[Claudius Gothicus]

If you support any form of Capitalism, restricted or not, you are a Capitalist. We're not going to solve the problems of todays world with this Social Democratic nonsense. Capitalism must be completely destroyed, that is something that most people should be able to recognise. The real question is what do we replace it with? I myself have settled with Marxist Socialism, but that's obviously not the only alternative.

I'm a capitalist and damn proud.

Have you ever heard of Social Liberalism? It's the way to go.

While State sponsored Marxism has been already proved unsustainable from a socioeconomic point of view it, Capitalism in it's different forms still thrives. Right now the less form of government we have is Liberal Democracy, until you find a better form we shall stick to it.

[Deadly Virus]

I'm a capitalist and damn proud.

Have you ever heard of Social Liberalism? It's the way to go.

While State sponsored Marxism has been already proved unsustainable from a socioeconomic point of view it, Capitalism in it's different forms still thrives. Right now the less form of government we have is Liberal Democracy, until you find a better form we shall stick to it.

You're proud to support the exploitation of millions of workers all over the world? That's honestly ing disgusting.

[ShockBlast]

If you support any form of Capitalism, restricted or not, you are a Capitalist.

Only the marxist theory says that creap,Capitalism in a free market system not a regulated market.

We're not going to solve the problems of todays world with this Social Democratic nonsense.

This nonsense is the best in the world,Scandinavia and Germany did well.

Capitalism must be completely destroyed, that is something that most people should be able to recognise.

I agree but you must understand that Capitalism means a free market not a mixed market economy.The market was not invented my Capitalists,the private ownership the same,if the state is not eliminated from the economy then we can't speak about Capitalsim.I am called a Capitalist by Marxist dogs and Communist by free market pigs.

The real question is what do we replace it with? I myself have settled with Marxist Socialism, but that's obviously not the only alternative.

Command economy is unflexible and we need people to take a break from leading form time to time so multi-party system is better.

[Bleda]

Capitalism is not in a crisis because Capitalism is not used and marxist theory is so retard for labeling the market economy mechanism as Capitalism or capitalist like.You don't like it fine but call me a social democrat,mixted market dog or something,not capitalist.

Anyway,good video,it shows that the market system itself is not working,we need to figure out how we can combine the stability of the command economy and the flexibility of the mixed market economy.

Coming from the guy who has demonstrated nothing but his lack of knowledge on economics. Stability of the command economy!?!? Your posts get more asinine as time rolls on. You ignore the mountains of evidence for the existence of capitalism. Have you learned all about economics and politics yet? Have you finished studying them?
Here's some of my favorite ridiculous statements you've made that reflect your understanding of capitalism and economics as a whole.

You purport yourself to have FINISHED learning economics and politics. You must be a prodigy:

I finished economics and i will finish politics soon.

I finished learning economy some time ago,i think is time for you to start learning it.

Your thoughts on economic liberalism:

Liberals ugree that the state must interfere in the economy,that alone makes that different.

Here's a nice excerpt that reveals how you mistake "capitalism" for total chaos. When in fact, a basic component of capitalism is limited government, not lack of government. The capitalist system only functions if the government fills a certain role, a sort of referee.

I thought you understood.Capitalism requires the elimination of the state's influence in economy,that is complete garbage.There must be someone to regulate.

This fragment displays your inability to discern statism from socialism. You probably don't even know what it is...

Nationalization and cash injection in economy are Socialist and Communist in nature,the most blamant intervention in economy a state can do and USA is a mixed economy like the rest of the world.

Here you contradict yourself:

Capitalism is flawed,it doesn't work,it's core ideas are based on speculation.

The world never used Capitalism and will never use it,you gave the reasons yourself,economical anarchism is not pretty.

You say no one has ever lived in a capitalist system, it has never been attempted, then claim it doesn't work given historical failures of the system.



Here you show your poor knowledge of the Cold War and its associated terms.

If it wasn't for those money,USA whould have been a 3rd world country.

1st world = US and her allies.
2nd world= USSR and her allies.
3rd world= Unaligned countries.

So i live in a 3rd world country and i don't know what it is?

Romania was 2nd world. But what do you care about labels? They have no meaning to you anyways.
Now that you've finished learning all there is to learn about economics and politics, maybe now you should look into learning all there is to know about history too.

Capitalism has a definition stick to it.
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A market that is influenced and regulated by the state is a mixed market oposed to a free market that is free of state's influence and what Capitalism preaches.
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Capitalism requires the elimination of the regulation from the economical life,the rules of the game if you will,so capitalism is economic anarchy.

That all underscores how little you have actually studied the concept of capitalism. The government has a certain regulatory role to play. You mistake capitalism for economic anarchy. Economic anarchy, is an extremist subset ideology of capitalism, it is not capitalism itself. For example, this is the like saying: "All animals are men." instead of "All men are animals." There is a logical order to classifications of economic system and you obviously have very little insight to logic.

Thus in this thread and any other thread, you should stop talking about things that your mind is apparently unable to grasp.

[Koelkastmagneet]

Now if there was actually a constructive, clear and coherent solution or plan, I would respect it.

However, all I generally hear is "We need a better alternative" "We need a new system".

I don't mind criticism of our current system but offer a realistic alternative, not random morality gibberish and vague wording.

[Denny Crane!]

Now if there was actually a constructive, clear and coherent solution or plan, I would respect it.

However, all I generally hear is "We need a better alternative" "We need a new system".

I don't mind criticism of our current system but offer a realistic alternative, not random morality gibberish and vague wording.

^^^^ Kinda what I was trying to say

[Claudius Gothicus]

Crises are inherent to the existence of a human society. Difference is Capitalism is able due to it's flexibility to resist them while other systems such as the feudal one suffered enormously and most of the time where crushed by their own static nature.

[Snoopy]

"In this RSA Animate, renowned academic David Harvey asks if it is time to look beyond capitalism towards a new social order that would allow us to live within a system that really could be responsible, just, and humane?"

What I found most interesting was the way Harvey connects phenomena that I myself considered fairly isolated and separate from one another.

A silly Marxist relying on broken theories.

If you want:

Capitalism is not in a crisis because Capitalism is not used and marxist theory is so retard for labeling the market economy mechanism as Capitalism or capitalist like.You don't like it fine but call me a social democrat,mixted market dog or something,not capitalist.

Anyway,good video,it shows that the market system itself is not working,we need to figure out how we can combine the stability of the command economy and the flexibility of the mixed market economy.

YOU AGAIN

[Enemy of the State]

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Pretty much destroys the original video.

I mean I agree with the point that the system is broken. As for the solution, well maybe we start listening to Austrian economists for once? Lets see where that gets us, Marxism had a try and fell down in flames.

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bleh. I thought this might turn into another trollunism thread. Oh well.

Still, the video initially got the response I'd hoped for - Most people seem to agree that there are problems and that something needs to be done about it, but we're all too busy standing around twiddling our collective thumbs and hoping someone else will instead.

Capitalism is not in a crisis because Capitalism is not used and marxist theory is so retard for labeling the market economy mechanism as Capitalism or capitalist like.You don't like it fine but call me a social democrat,mixted market dog or something,not capitalist.

You have some very funny ideas about what capitalism is, don't you?

[ShockBlast]

You have some very funny ideas about what capitalism is, don't you?

Good morning sunshire,welcome to the centrist view,you know, the guys who actually rule the world.

[Snoopy]

Good morning sunshire,welcome to the centrist view,you know, the guys who actually rule the world.

What a shame