Who’s running the show? …or is it a collaborative effort as it seams.

**Amorphos** · July 25, 2010, 06:53 AM

Who’s running the show? …or is it a collaborative effort as it seams.

No one
Illuminati
The british empire
The jews
Freddie the alien
The ole man who lives just around the corner, runs it from his basement

Is it something like this…

http://haha.nu/funny/the-it-crowd-this-is-the-internet/

Economic wars, which group will win…

If I as an Englishman were to manipulate the world, I would like the yanks to spend massively on military, the Chinese to be insular as much as possible and the Indians to have to many people to become as rich as us. All of this whilst imposing my values on all of them so that nations like china and India will be coerced [eventually] to spread some of their wealth in helping their massive poor populations. At the same time I would be a part of the world largest economy; the EU, whilst at the same time having my fingers in every pie.

British empire still rules, …if you take ‘selective wisdom’* seriously…
http://henrymakow.com/000447.html

*selective wisdom is when you extrapolate what you want from sources and forget all the other aspects, forming what is usually a prejudice argument.

Seriously though, do you think there is a group running the show [world economies] or trying to, to the maximum degree they can?

Or do all or most people at the top just collaborate as much as possible, such that it could seam like there is a new world order or something.

On a side note if there was a group with all that power, why would they need to be covert about it?

**athanaric** · July 25, 2010, 07:10 AM

Mostly, it's various groups of self-important idiots collaborating with each other.

**Amorphos** · July 25, 2010, 07:21 AM

Mostly, it's various groups of self-important idiots collaborating with each other.

Yup mainly banks, and coincidentally the UK govt are always talking about ‘small govt’ and not getting involved in peoples affairs e.g. bp. Just what you want if you are one of those bankers.

**Capt. Fozdike** · July 25, 2010, 07:29 AM

I don't think any one person or nation is running 'the show'. It's a collaborative effort between US, Britain, China, Japan and Germany (And Australia

).

But if you wanted to put the one most powerful entity in the world, it would be Wall Street and the banks of the world.

**Thorn777** · July 25, 2010, 07:43 AM

Filthy rich Lizzards.

**Amorphos** · July 25, 2010, 07:55 AM

Ha lets just forget david icke and look at the real big picture please.

But if you wanted to put the one most powerful entity in the world, it would be Wall Street and the banks of the world.

Wall street may be loosing out to the city of London, it is predicted that the city will overtake wall street in the next ten years. See below in red

Who controls and manufactures our necessities, material possessions and media consumption? the Corporate world.
The City of London is not part of England or the United Kingdom. It is a privately owned corporation masquerading as a county, It isn’t under the power of the Queen or the Government.
http://wideshut.co.uk/bank-of-englan...and-the-queen/

New York was in danger of being toppled from its throne as the world's financial capital by a rival city.
Within 10 years the city which has been the headquarters of modern capitalism for most of a century could sink to the rank of a "secondary city".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/10/usa.travel

The Rothschild banking family is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful family in the world

**Thorn777** · July 25, 2010, 11:46 AM

^Next to filthy rich Lizzards, I'd say its our dependence to certain ways.

I mean, maybe Gordon Brown & Co and Barack Obama & Co do see neo-liberalism ideology went flat on its face and we really need to rework past believes against misinformed public opinion, but find their world so entrenched its hard to change anything substantial. I think lots of folks thought all this is the only way to go. We got many folks here still believing their crap and I don't believe there is to much bad will behind it.

Just masses of ego's believing and doing stupid things in a world constructed by ourselves that only catalyzes social stupidity and shortsighted individualism.

Corruption, legal or illegal is only a part of that.

**Amorphos** · July 25, 2010, 12:00 PM

What’s your alternative to liberalism?

More on topic, how can any of our views change the city [corporate business and banks etc]?

**Enemy of the State** · July 25, 2010, 12:17 PM

The financial elite and the bandits in government, together.

**Amorphos** · July 25, 2010, 12:30 PM

The financial elite and the bandits in government, together.

Or to rephrase; The corporate and banking bandits and the bandits in government, together. yes?

**Enemy of the State** · July 25, 2010, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl

Or to rephrase; The corporate and banking bandits and the bandits in government, together. yes?

Well they're both using the state to carry out plunder so yeah.

**Amorphos** · July 25, 2010, 12:42 PM

Ok I just wanted to make that point, some people e.g. cameron/conservatives seams to think only the govt are bandits.

edit; corporate or any form of big business would surely act similarly. state or 'given other big group' ~ its all the same thing.

**Denny Crane!** · July 25, 2010, 12:47 PM

Power and the pursuit of it corrupts. Business take advantage of politicians need to stay in power so it is used and we all get shafted.

**Amorphos** · July 25, 2010, 01:32 PM

Power and the pursuit of it corrupts. Business take advantage of politicians need to stay in power so it is used and we all get shafted.

Right so if you don’t have governmental centralisation you have what? Corporate centralisation? You need govt to stop them from manipulating us further, govt is the only thing we can change, we just need less corrupt evil b’stards in govt [which they all are Imho].

If you have multiple govt [like councils but with more power *gah*] how do you get democracy or any other kinds of people power into that?

**Denny Crane!** · July 25, 2010, 01:41 PM

Um not really Corporations and big business get away with so much because they can leverage the state. If local groups had more power a supermarket wouldn't be able create mass landbanks because the communities would move against them, strip mining wouldn't be railroaded through local government because there would be liabilities to those who are affected because they aren't protected by government legislation etc etc.

**Enemy of the State** · July 25, 2010, 01:52 PM

we just need less corrupt evil b’stards in govt [which they all are Imho].

Good luck finding these angels.

**Amorphos** · July 25, 2010, 01:57 PM

Um not really Corporations and big business get away with so much because they can leverage the state. If local groups had more power a supermarket wouldn't be able create mass landbanks because the communities would move against them, strip mining wouldn't be railroaded through local government because there would be liabilities to those who are affected because they aren't protected by government legislation etc etc.

I see the point that it is less likely that you would get massive corporations if they didn’t push govt to do things ~ maybe like common agricultural policy. Then in the supermarket example the farmers would sell direct to the public and supermarkets wouldn’t be able to compete etc. however as long as you have centralisation of money [private banks] you will have corporate business or something similar, and without govt they will push people around and probably own everything in the end. utopia if done right, hell on earth if not.

I really wish someone could offer up some alternatives! So keep at it mate.

Good luck finding these angels.

Not angels, models and principles/law/constitutions which distrubute power away from any center no matter how big or small.

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