Slave unit Silver Surfer

[chris7ian]

I just found a slave unit Tuareg_Camel_Spearmen is missing its textures for the rider. I haven't edited this unit so I'm not sure how this came to be, I believe it was fine on previous installs.

The unit in question is for Egypt and they don't have ownership in the EDU or EDB. So I'm assuming this is a recruited rebel unit. I've recently edited my edu, edb, and battle_models to allow recruiting of other faction units. I looked into the folders to see if it was the same process and it didnt appear to be so.

If anyone has done this before I'd appreciate any help. Thanks

[Ishan]

A unit appear like a silver surfer when it has the owner ship of the unit in EDU but not in the BMDB file. Since u say it is for slave then check its entry in BMDB it should have slave for it.

[chris7ian]

22 tuareg_camel_spearmens 
1 
4 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod0.mesh 121 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod1.mesh 900 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod2.mesh 2500 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod3.mesh 6400 
2 
5 moors 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_moors.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
52 unit_sprites/moors_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_sprite.spr 
5 slave 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_mercs.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
52 unit_sprites/slave_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_sprite.spr 
2 
5 moors 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_norm.texture 
0  
5 slave 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_norm.texture 
0  
1 
5 Horse 
13 MTW2_CR_Spear 
13 MTW2_CR_Sword 
2 
21 MTW2_HR_spear_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
2 
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002 
26 tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1 
1 
4 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod0.mesh 121 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod1.mesh 900 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod2.mesh 2500 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod3.mesh 6400 
2 
5 moors 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_moors.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
56 unit_sprites/moors_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_ug1_sprite.spr 
5 slave 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_mercs.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
56 unit_sprites/slave_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_ug1_sprite.spr 
2 
5 moors 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_norm.texture 
0  
5 slave 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_norm.texture 
0  
1 
5 Horse 
13 MTW2_CR_Spear 
13 MTW2_CR_Sword 
2 
21 MTW2_HR_spear_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
2 
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

The EDU doesnt shows ownership as well. Yet Egypt is messed up.

[Ishan]

I don't get ur question do u want this unit for egypt?

[chris7ian]

Yea i dont mind them having the unit. Its just the units Egypt have of this are silver. And I couldnt find a problem in the EDU, battle_models. Also the unit cards do not show up for this unit in game. I'm just asking how to fix it. I'm confused because the moors tuaregs are fine. I dont know how to fix the slave textures...

[Ishan]

Yea i dont mind them having the unit. Its just the units Egypt have of this are silver. And I couldnt find a problem in the EDU, battle_models. Also the unit cards do not show up for this unit in game. I'm just asking how to fix it. I'm confused.

Always remember that a unit if has a ownership for a unit in the EDU and doesn't have a entry for it in the BMDB file then the units will always appear silver coz u have not defined it's textures in the BMDB file.
So change the BMDB entry to this:-

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22 tuareg_camel_spearmens
1
4
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod0.mesh 121
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod1.mesh 900
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod2.mesh 2500
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod3.mesh 6400
3
5 moors
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_moors.texture
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture
52 unit_sprites/moors_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_sprite.spr
5 egypt
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_moors.texture
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture
52 unit_sprites/moors_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_sprite.spr
5 slave
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_mercs.texture
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture
52 unit_sprites/slave_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_sprite.spr
3
5 moors
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_diff.texture
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_norm.texture
0
5 egypt
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_diff.texture
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_norm.texture
0
5 slave
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_diff.texture
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_norm.texture
0
1
5 Horse
13 MTW2_CR_Spear
13 MTW2_CR_Sword
2
21 MTW2_HR_spear_Primary
14 fs_test_shield
2
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary
14 fs_test_shield
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002
26 tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1
1
4
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod0.mesh 121
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod1.mesh 900
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod2.mesh 2500
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod3.mesh 6400
3
5 moors
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_moors.texture
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture
56 unit_sprites/moors_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_ug1_sprite.spr
5 egypt
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_moors.texture
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture
56 unit_sprites/moors_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_ug1_sprite.spr
5 slave
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_mercs.texture
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture
56 unit_sprites/slave_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_ug1_sprite.spr
3
5 moors
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_diff.texture
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_norm.texture
0
5 egypt
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_diff.texture
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_norm.texture
0
5 slave
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_diff.texture
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_norm.texture
0
1
5 Horse
13 MTW2_CR_Spear
13 MTW2_CR_Sword
2
21 MTW2_HR_spear_Primary
14 fs_test_shield
2
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary
14 fs_test_shield
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

Now this unit for Egypt won't appear silver and will have the proper textures that the moors use.

As for the unit cards
Finds these 2 files in the UI\unit_info and UI\units in the moors folder

1. #tuareg_camel_spearmens.tga(in moors folder of units)
2. tuareg_camel_spearmens_info.tga(in moors folder of unit_info)

After that create 2 folder by the name Egypt and put them accordingly.
File 1 will go here
KCGM\data\ui\units\egypt
File 2 will go here
KCGM\data\ui\unit_info\egypt

Reply asap.

[chris7ian]

Always remember that a unit if has a ownership for a unit in the EDU and doesn't have a entry for it in the BMDB file then the units will always appear silver coz u have not defined it's textures in the BMDB file.

Thats the thing, it doesnt have ownership in the edu or edb. So I should need to edit the battle_models right?

EDIT: I saw my typo in the second post of mine. I meant to say the edu and edb doesnt show owership for egypt, just the moors and slave. The battle_models have the moors and slave as owners as well. My problem is these slave units that were mercs for egypt show up silver.

Sorry for any confusion.

[Ishan]

Thats the thing, it doesnt have ownership in the edu or edb. So I should need to edit the battle_models right?

EDIT: I saw my typo in the second post of mine. I meant to say the edu and edb doesnt show owership for egypt, just the moors and slave. The battle_models have the moors and slave as owners as well. My problem is these slave units that were mercs for egypt show up silver.

Sorry for any confusion.

And read Taiji A+ post when he talks he knows whats he talking about.

Edit 1
If they are being recruited as mercs then check in the EDU that they have like this:

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type Tuareg Camel Spearmens
dictionary Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens ; Tuareg Camel Spearmen
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_cavalry
banner holy crusade_cavalry
soldier Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens, 32, 0, 1
mount camel
mount_effect elephant -4, horse +2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, frighten_mounted, mercenary_unit
formation 3, 4, 5, 5, 3, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 11, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, spear, 25, 1
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 11, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 0, 6, 4, flesh
;stat_armour_ex 0, 4, 0, 0, 6, 4, 4, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 0
stat_ground 0, 2, -6, -2
stat_mental 9, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 45
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 600, 300, 120, 95, 600, 4, 150
armour_ug_levels 0, 1
armour_ug_models Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens, Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_ug1
ownership moors, egypt, slave
era 0 moors
era 1 moors
;unit_info 11, 0, 10

I.e. merc attribute in blue and egypt as their recruiters.

[Taiji]

Problem: They are not set up for egypt in battle_models.

Solution A: Remove egypts ownership in the EDU, and production capability in EDB.

Solution B: Set them up for egypt in battle_models (if you can find some appropriate textures) and make a new unit card.

[chris7ian]

So how would I fix a merc unit, whose faction isnt supposed to have ownership. Also I extracted the unit_info and unit card from vanilla. And Irfanview wont read them. They say they are .tga and Irfanview reads .tga, but i get this error: Cant read file header ! Unknown file format or file not found !

[Ishan]

So how would I fix a merc unit, whose faction isnt supposed to have ownership

To fix this u just have make sure that the merc attribute is there in the unit along with the ownership of the faction that recruits it in the EDU.

Also I extracted the unit_info and unit card from vanilla. And Irfanview wont read them. They say they are .tga and Irfanview reads .tga, but i get this error: Cant read file header ! Unknown file format or file not found !

Try GIMP it is also free and i suppose it also opens them.

Would not fully unpacking files be causing my problems?

No it has nothing to do with full unpacking but maybe the software i gave u earlier for manual unpacking might have done improper extraction.But

[chris7ian]

Would not fully unpacking files be causing my problems?

[chris7ian]

I put egypt and mercenary_unit into my edu. Went into a save game and crashed going into battle to see if it worked. Deleted Egypt and could go into battle still the units are silver.

gimp said they were an unknown file type as well.

I doubt it was the program.

EDIT: My original game I bought, is missing a disc so I had to download what I'm using from a torrent. I would just uninstall everything then redo it step by step. But dling the torrent takes days, and I dont want to risk getting a virus/trojan.

[Ishan]

The game crashes as the save game is not compatible anymore.
To solve the.tga file issue just unpack the game and put the original files somewhere safe in ur HDD. So u can get files when u want and how many times u want.

[chris7ian]

I put egypt as having ownership back into the edu and started a new campaign. It didn't work, the tuareg's are still silver.

[Ishan]

Did u put this the , mercenary_unit attribute also in the EDU file?

[Taiji]

If you want to use them as mercs then you need to set them up for merc in battle_models.

[chris7ian]

@ Ishan: yes

@ Taiji it is setup for slave. I havent edited this unit at all until tryin to fix it.

22 tuareg_camel_spearmens 
1 
4 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod0.mesh 121 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod1.mesh 900 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod2.mesh 2500 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod3.mesh 6400 
2 
5 moors 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_moors.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
52 unit_sprites/moors_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_sprite.spr 
5 slave 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_mercs.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
52 unit_sprites/slave_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_sprite.spr 
2 
5 moors 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_norm.texture 
0  
5 slave 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_norm.texture 
0  
1 
5 Horse 
13 MTW2_CR_Spear 
13 MTW2_CR_Sword 
2 
21 MTW2_HR_spear_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
2 
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002 
26 tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1 
1 
4 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod0.mesh 121 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod1.mesh 900 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod2.mesh 2500 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod3.mesh 6400 
2 
5 moors 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_moors.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
56 unit_sprites/moors_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_ug1_sprite.spr 
5 slave 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_mercs.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
56 unit_sprites/slave_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_ug1_sprite.spr 
2 
5 moors 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_norm.texture 
0  
5 slave 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_norm.texture 
0  
1 
5 Horse 
13 MTW2_CR_Spear 
13 MTW2_CR_Sword 
2 
21 MTW2_HR_spear_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
2 
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

[Ishan]

I havent edited this unit at all until tryin to fix it.

22 tuareg_camel_spearmens 
1 
4 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod0.mesh 121 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod1.mesh 900 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod2.mesh 2500 
69 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_lod3.mesh 6400 
3 
5 moors 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_moors.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
52 unit_sprites/moors_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_sprite.spr 
5 slave 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_mercs.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
52 unit_sprites/slave_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_sprite.spr 
4 merc
70  unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_mercs.texture 
71  unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
52 unit_sprites/slave_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_sprite.spr 
3
5 moors 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_norm.texture 
0  
5 slave 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_norm.texture 
0  
4 merc
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_diff.texture
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_norm.texture
0 
1 
5 Horse 
13 MTW2_CR_Spear 
13 MTW2_CR_Sword 
2 
21 MTW2_HR_spear_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
2 
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002 
26 tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1 
1 
4 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod0.mesh 121 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod1.mesh 900 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod2.mesh 2500 
73 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/tuareg_camel_spearmens_ug1_lod3.mesh 6400 
3
5 moors 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_moors.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
56 unit_sprites/moors_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_ug1_sprite.spr 
5 slave 
70 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_mercs.texture 
71 unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
56 unit_sprites/slave_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_ug1_sprite.spr 
4 merc
70  unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_mercs.texture 
71  unit_models/_Units/ME_Burmous_Padded/textures/ME_burmous_normal.texture 
56 unit_sprites/slave_Tuareg_Camel_Spearmens_ug1_sprite.spr 
3
5 moors 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_moors_norm.texture 
0  
5 slave 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_norm.texture 
0  
4 merc
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_diff.texture 
66 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Middle Eastern_slave_norm.texture 
0
1 
5 Horse 
13 MTW2_CR_Spear 
13 MTW2_CR_Sword 
2 
21 MTW2_HR_spear_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
2 
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 
14 fs_test_shield 
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

Make the above changes and u are done.

[Taiji]

Look at the other mercs in there, it's obvious what to do

edit:

Ah I see Ishan made it even more obvious.