The Big Bad Burkha poll

[CrayonVonCaesar]

(Includes niqabs)...

SO many posts on this and yet no poll.

So what do you say?
What is your reasoning?

Edit:
Dammit, wanted it to be a public poll.
Ah well

(Chose one from Poll)

[KngGilgamesh]

against the ban as it doesn't really accomplishes much (it not going to lessen women's oppression, likely it will do the opposite.) and what it does accomplish isn't really worth it.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Why do you think you have the right to tell others what to do?


Certainly don't ban them.

[CrayonVonCaesar]

Why do you think you have the right to tell others what to do?


Certainly don't ban them.

Easy sunshine.

I'm asking a valid question considering France, Belgium and Syria's recent draft laws.

I don't have the 'right'. I'm asking you your opinion on this after you've weighed up the reasons that have been given to ban or not ban and asking for your reasoning behind your choice.

[The Dude]

Ban them. Tough luck for the women wearing them, good for society as a whole.

[Banana Jelly]

Ban them. Tough luck for the women wearing them, good for society as a whole.

Good for society as a whole? The worst comment so far. Some women wear them as a requirement by there husband so they can go outside. If you ban them, they have no access outside, and are restricted to there home only. (Trust me, I hate burkhas, and I am a muslim)

Tell me again, how it is good for society as a whole again?

[The Dude]

Good for society as a whole? The worst comment so far. Some women wear them as a requirement by there husband so they can go outside. If you ban them, they have no access outside, and are restricted to there home only. (Trust me, I hate burkhas, and I am a muslim)

Tell me again, how it is good for society as a whole again?

As I said, tough luck for a select few women.

Why should society give room to oppressive men to be oppressive? If you allow burkhas, the only logical result is that more will appear as time goes on.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Easy sunshine.

I'm asking a valid question considering France, Belgium and Syria's recent draft laws.

I don't have the 'right'. I'm asking you your opinion on this after you've weighed up the reasons that have been given to ban or not ban and asking for your reasoning behind your choice.

I'm not addressing you bbut people who want to ban them

[Banana Jelly]

I don't care what people do with banjos

Simply because I don't care what people wear. You can't ban your friends from wearing that ugly clothe, so why would you ban the Burkha?

[garudamon11]

Simply because I don't care what people wear. You can't ban your friends from wearing that ugly clothe, so why would you ban the Burkha?

/thread
might as well ban old clothes cause they look ugly

[The Dude]

People who compare the burqa to old clothes or general religious clothing really fail to appreciate the gravity of the situation.

Imagine you walked across the street and you saw a woman shackled and handcuffed with her mouth and eyes forced shut. And then you saw another one. And another one. And accompanying them were proud looking men who drag their women around like they are slaves.

You'd ask him wtf he's doing to his wife. Then from the crowd someone else appears who's obviously not part of this crazy extremist cult and answers "give them a break, these women dress so voluntarily and it's not like they're doing anyone any harm right?"

That's when you wonder if that person's lost all sense because you find it near impossible to think of a future where you'd be ok with men treating their women like this.

[CiviC]

People who compare the burqa to old clothes or general religious clothing really fail to appreciate the gravity of the situations.

Imagine you walked across the street and you saw a woman shackled and handcuffed with her mouth and eyes forced shut. And then you saw another one. And another one. And accompanying them were proud looking men who drag their women around like they are slaves.

You'd ask him wtf he's doing to his wife. Then from the crowd someone else appears who's obviously not part of this crazy extremist cult and answers "give them a break, these women dress so voluntarily and it's not like they're doing anyone any harm right?"

That's when you wonder if that person's lost all sense because you find it near impossible to think of a future where you'd be ok with men treating their women like this.

What many don't understand is that even if some women wear a burqa by their own choice (although sometimes that choice is induced by indoctrination), such women only encourage a practice on other women who won't accept voluntarily a burqa, but they are forced by the power of example and social pressure - how can a woman refuse a burqa in a traditionalist conservative family, when her mother in law wears it, or the wives of her husband's friends, etc., etc.?

This is an example when freedom of choice is used against freedom itself. Can we choose to become slaves? No. Because our choice, although free, would be against a fundamental principle, that all persons are free and no exception is allowed. The same, can we allow some women to self segregate and discriminate and encourage segregation and discrimination of other women? No.

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

Ban em..

the Arab countries and territories are showing more and more intolerance to western cultural and religious practices, so why do we need to tolerate their culture and religious practices...

[skag]

Ban em..

the Arab countries and territories are showing more and more intolerance to western cultural and religious practices, so why do we need to tolerate their culture and religious practices...

lol

"15th years old school boy in teenager crisis" way of thinking

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

lol

"15th years old school boy in teenager crisis" way of thinking

oh my, quite an assumption from one post, did you bother reading any others....?

or should i just start labelling you randomly.....

[skag]

oh my, quite an assumption from one post, did you bother reading any others....?

or should i just start labelling you randomly.....

lol

Obviously I'll not bother reading your other posts, simply because your first one tells everything

I don't loose time reading opinion of people posting retarded ignorant kiddy stuff

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

lol

Obviously I'll not bother reading your other posts, simply because your first one tells everything

I don't loose time reading opinion of people posting retarded ignorant kiddy stuff

But you would rather 'loose' time assuming nonsense and labeling people... good compromise, shoulda thought about that one.


judge a book by its cover and all that hey what?? good show....

on topic: I admitted not explaining my first post properly and changed my stance to what i meant on the burkha issue which is.

*siiiigggghhh*

to reiterate: i support the ban in public or civic offices, banks etc etc etc blah blah, other than that let them wear what they want...

which was only on page two.....

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

Tell me again, how it is good for society as a whole again?

one of the main issues that started this was identity fraud for claiming state benefits....
do you even have to question how it would benefit society, its pretty obvious...

[Banana Jelly]

one of the main issues that started this was identity fraud for claiming state benefits....
do you even have to question how it would benefit society, its pretty obvious...

By your logic, we should close the internet because some people commit copyright infringement. That logic is invalid. Then again, why wouldn't you want women to be restricted to there homes anyway? There Arabs... There intolerant towards "Western" policies and standards. Like as if Asians don't wear them anyway, and the West doesn't have freedom of religion.

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

By your logic, we should close the internet because some people commit copyright infringement. That logic is invalid. Then again, why wouldn't you want women to be restricted to there homes anyway? There Arabs... There intolerant towards "Western" policies and standards. Like as if Asians don't wear them anyway, and the West doesn't have freedom of religion.

My logic towards the Burkha not towards everything, and your example is extreme whereas my logic is based on what people are actually doing in France and many other countries,

businesses etc know the risks of internet usage and in a modern day society copyright infringement and pirating is common and widespread... and in some cases expected and prepared for so that argument is invalid
but when people move to a foreign country they should respect the laws and wishes of that country and if that means taking your hoody off so you can be properly identified then whats the problem? unless they have something to hide in the first place, in which case you would be advocating identity fraud and saying its ok....period.

so answer me this if a Muslim woman applies for a passport how exactly does she get her photo taken?
i know most countries if not all require all facial features to be visible and identifiable.... why is there no outcry over that?, or do you guys just pick and choose what is the convenience du jour for the day?