Who will win the breeding war?

[Amorphos]

Who will win the breeding war?

A little thought experiment for you, I am looking for answers to issues people have put to me ‘tis all. Please don’t make this a racism thread it is concerned with numbers and ‘fair balance’ in cultures and ethnicities. I use the term ‘war’ because the idea seams to have the same end result ~ vaguely speaking.


In the near future what groups will out-breed others? Will America become predominantly Hispanic, will whites become browns? [Loosely speaking].

In a hundred or few hundred year’s time lets say, what do you think will be the most predominant ethnicity in the world?

e.g. 'Chinese', 'Indians', 'Europeans'? Will the lesser numbered ethnicities vanish, perhaps leaving only certain ones, or will we all just be a blend?

Is it right for one ethnicity to take over another, even where this means one country effectively takes over another? For example if America becomes mainly Hispanic, then that group will via democracy take over the nation. Isn’t that racism on the other end of the scale of racism?

[Phier]

Minorities always win the breeding war unless physically suppressed.

Its psychological and most likely in our genetics, but when you are 'out of power' there seems to be a tendency to have more children in response. If whites become a minority in the future in the US expect white family size to rise.

[Amorphos]

Minorities always win the breeding war unless physically suppressed.

Its psychological and most likely in our genetics, but when you are 'out of power' there seems to be a tendency to have more children in response. If whites become a minority in the future in the US expect white family size to rise.

I see so you think it will resolve itself overall ~ pretty much what I think. But to the purposes of the debate [we may be wrong]…

I would think majorities would win, which would be counterbalanced to some degree if minorities have more offspring. In china though both minorities and majorities are mainly Chinese.
Wealthy tend to have less so it also depends upon that, in america for example the minority whites may keep the wealth untill totally overwhelmed by the poorer minority/majority.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Minorities always win the breeding war unless physically suppressed.

Its psychological and most likely in our genetics, but when you are 'out of power' there seems to be a tendency to have more children in response. If whites become a minority in the future in the US expect white family size to rise.

Socio-Economically excluded sectors of society will tend to have more children, it's not related to race at all. The lack of sexual prudence is directly related to the lack of education and the lack of education is directly related to the lack of economic resources(among other factors yes this is not an absolute relation but race is an insignificant one).

Jews have always been a minority yet they didn't have like ten children per family. Why? well mostly because of education derived of financial fluency.

Same happened to Japanese/Korean descendants in Argentina since most of them had a working ethos that tended to the enrichment of the individual and the acquisition of education.

[Phier]

Jews have always been a minority yet they didn't have like ten children per family. Why? well mostly because of education derived of financial fluency.

What would happen to Jewish populations if they got too large? Thats were suppression kicks in. I agree that finances pays a big role as well but that goes along with being out of power. If you are financially secure you are not under 'minority' stress usually.

There are going to be groups that can break the mold, and there are other factors. Look at the Mormons for one of those groups.

[Claudius Gothicus]

What would happen to Jewish populations if they got too large? Thats were suppression kicks in. I agree that finances pays a big role as well but that goes along with being out of power. If you are financially secure you are not under 'minority' stress usually.

But Jews never got large enough(in terms of numbers) to be actually suppressed because of their massive existence as a population.
Most reasons for Jewish suppression where economic ones IMO, ever since the middle ages the majority has feared the financially fluent minority which administrates and holds big chunks of the country's wealth. Jews where out of power, financially secure and yet persecuted constantly for hundreds of years.

On the other hand the hypothetical suppression of Blacks, Latinos or other 'financially ed up' minorities in the US can only be the cause of irrational thinking.

There are going to be groups that can break the mold, and there are other factors. Look at the Mormons for one of those groups.

Of course, and this is directly related to the amount of factors that play a part in the demographical growth of certain group. Culture and religion being major ones.

[jankren]

Minorities always win the breeding war unless physically suppressed.

Its psychological and most likely in our genetics, but when you are 'out of power' there seems to be a tendency to have more children in response. If whites become a minority in the future in the US expect white family size to rise.

Thats so ridiculous.

I have never met a single family who decide to have tons of kids in order to increase their race's numbers. It is always either cultural or the parents are too uneducated to understand the concept of family planning.

[chamaeleo]

Thats so ridiculous.

I have never met a single family who decide to have tons of kids in order to increase their race's numbers. It is always either cultural or the parents are too uneducated to understand the concept of family planning.

Some topics are simply not brought up in casual conversation. Other things, most notably instinctive tendencies, don't even register to the conscious mind.

Sex is a well documented response to stressful conditions, in humans and most other animals. Reproductive strategy largely comes down to resource allocation: advantaged couples typically have fewer children and devote more time, energy, and money into maxing out their development. Disadvantaged folk, for lack of resources, realize greater reproductive success by having more children while neglecting the parental investment side...presumably at least one offspring will luck out. As in most things, reproductive strategy can be boiled down to a numbers game...and the fact that we are all largely oblivious to the important decisions our brains make for us is irrelevant.

[jankren]

Some topics are simply not brought up in casual conversation. Other things, most notably instinctive tendencies, don't even register to the conscious mind.

Sex is a well documented response to stressful conditions, in humans and most other animals. Reproductive strategy largely comes down to resource allocation: advantaged couples typically have fewer children and devote more time, energy, and money into maxing out their development. Disadvantaged folk, for lack of resources, realize greater reproductive success by having more children while neglecting the parental investment side...presumably at least one offspring will luck out. As in most things, reproductive strategy can be boiled down to a numbers game...and the fact that we are all largely oblivious to the important decisions our brains make for us is irrelevant.

I wish your theory was the reality.

But the fact on the ground is third generation immigrants are gonna have as many kids as other average people in the country. Its cultural and socioeconomic. There is no such a thing as minority breeding conspiracy.

[Orko]

Any girl over here wanna help us win the breeding war with me?

[chamaeleo]

I wish your theory was the reality.

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My opinion is pretty well supported by the most recent human evolutionary biology research.

But the fact on the ground is third generation immigrants are gonna have as many kids as other average people in the country. Its cultural and socioeconomic.

Agreed. Third-generation immigrants are citizens too, and just like everyone else, the more impoverished sectors tend to have more children (and at earlier ages) than the successful.

There is no such a thing as minority breeding conspiracy.

Of course not. Please re-read the post to which you've responded. The fact that I invoked instinctive, subconscious behavior as a driving force behind mating strategy...how exactly does this suggest that I'm a conspiracy theorist? The only way I can make any sense of your comment, is to assume that you meant every human brain hosts a subconscious conspirator who's trying to get his host laid as often as possible...but that's quite a stretch...

Care to clarify your position?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

I have never met a single family who decide to have tons of kids in order to increase their race's numbers. It is always either cultural or the parents are too uneducated to understand the concept of family planning.

they don't do it consciously

[bushbush]

Minorities always win the breeding war unless physically suppressed.

Its psychological and most likely in our genetics, but when you are 'out of power' there seems to be a tendency to have more children in response. If whites become a minority in the future in the US expect white family size to rise.

If Chinese history is proof of any sort, minorities almost always lost and became assimilated to the majority culture. I think it is not too different in the rest of the world.

[Claudius Gothicus]

If Chinese history is proof of any sort, minorities almost always lost and became assimilated to the majority culture. I think it is not too different in the rest of the world.

Every society it's a different story, but for the most part majorities tend to assimilate the culture of minorities to it's own supra culture. It' also has a lot to do with the policies regarding social exchange that the State promotes.

In a caste system where race or culture is institutionally divided by law it gets really hard to actually reach a 'melting pot' as long as the State promotes that division.

[Aquila SPQR]

Yellow. Human future is yellow my fellow friends.



And it's sad, I know.

[Yosemite]

Yellow. Human future is yellow my fellow friends.



And it's sad, I know.

yellow is a good color

why are you sad?

yellow is a bright color that usually makes people happy, it's a hot color

[chilon]

In the near future what groups will out-breed others?

The morons will likely outbreed intelligent and educated individuals as illustrated at the start of movie Idiocracy

[Claudius Gothicus]

The morons will likely outbreed intelligent and educated individuals as illustrated at the start of movie Idiocracy

Idiocy as portrayed in Idiocracy(great movie) is not hereditary, the 'morons' of the movie were in fact uneducated persons product of a poverty ridden culture.

Again race and genetics have little or nothing to do with a certain population performance in the economic ,educational or cultural field of a certain society.
Historical, geographical and financial backgrounds have the really important role when determining a populations performance.

The Black or Latino individuals performing badly inside the USA society in a large amount of specific cases has more to do with history than biology.

[skh1]

Judge for yourself:

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The cover from the November 18,1993 edition.

[Amorphos]

The morons will likely outbreed intelligent and educated individuals as illustrated at the start of movie Idiocracy

Ha yea, but don’t you think humans on the whole are way more intellectually advanced than perhaps a couple of hundred years ago, certainly a few thousand yrs ago. In the past the ratio between the educated and uneducated was far more vast than it is now, so I think as far as intelligence goes the only factor is cultural ~ what degree of education a society produces.

Judge for yourself:

Yea but america is mainly European stock, so that’s just a Mediterranean looking type. Now add in all the Chinese, Indians and Africans, and I would think she would look more like an Indian perhaps.

That is if they all mix roughly equally, but you may get majorities who win out and minorities [even larger ones] that vanish?