Since when did black people become 'English'...

[Atatürk]

Germany beat England in the World Cup, and they beat them well. The man of the match was a certain Mesut Özil.

When I opened Facebook, I saw plenty of people writing about how players like Miroslav Klose and Lucas Podolski were actually Polish, and how Sami Khedira was actually Tunisian, and how Mesut Özil was actually Turkish. While they didn't explicitly say that Germany were cheating for using these 'foreign' players, that was the general message they were giving out.

One thing I noticed was that all the people who were writing these pathetic statuses were black. I felt the urge to remind them that half of the England team came from ethnic backgrounds that were other than English. Yet I restrained myself, for these people seem to have the demented idea that black people are somehow more English than say an (British) Indian or a (British) Greek.

Germany played Argentina today, and disposed of them fairly comfortably. While Mesut Özil didn't shine as he did against England, he still played quite well within a team effort.

Once again, I opened my Facebook and found another sickening status, again, by a black person.



I must give credit to the person trying to force some sense into this imbecile's skull. However, he represents one of many deluded black people. Regarding his comment about how the black players in England's team have English name's, he should know that many of them are of Caribbean descent and have slave names.

Here's another case.



The idiot who commented on Boateng's Ghanaian background should probably take a look in the mirror and realise that there's a good chance that he's from Ghana as well. It's just so hypocritical, it's unbelievable.

The case regarding Özil has brought up something I've known for a very long time. That black people think they're English, and that people from other ethnic backgrounds are foreign. Unfortunately, there are also some white English people who share this opinion. The media doesn't help either.

This is the sad truth about multiculturalism in Britain.

[Their Law]

Personally my opinion is that if they've spent the majority of their lives in England then they're English regardless of ethnic origin. The problem is that as a nation (Britain) we are inherently multicultural which doesn't translate well into defining football teams by states which at their inception where nation-states. Personally don't see why we don't have a British football team that the whole country can be crushingly disappointed about.

But the guy's a hypocrite if he's criticizing non ethnic German players of not being German whilst saying what he does on your post.

That said I've come to expect this level of stupidity when it comes to football.

[Thorn777]

That would be rather embarrassing.

Yeah it is, but we have a long tradition of players not singing along. Its always the free will of the players here. No one forces them and there is no real social pressure. Just sad its exactly the "immigrants" (except Cacau) not singing along. That just looks bad...

But maybe the national anthem just isn't hip-hop or cool enough for these kids, because their all very young. I remember Labbadia, Dogan, Asamoah, Odonker or Mehmet Scholl singing along before this generation though.

Personally my opinion is that if they've spent the majority of their lives in England then they're English regardless of ethnic origin. The problem is that as a nation (Britain) we are inherently multicultural which doesn't translate well into defining football teams by states which at their inception where nation-states. Personally don't see why we don't have a British football team that the whole country can be crushingly disappointed about.

But the guy's a hypocrite if he's criticizing non ethnic German players of not being German whilst saying what he does on your post.

That said I've come to expect this level of stupidity when it comes to football.

I think this image of the German national team is just messing with allot of peoples prejudices, expecting 11 Arians playing Sturm Und Drang. But what people forget is that historically Germany was just like the UK "inherently multicultural", if not more in percentages of the population. While the Brit empire got people from the most various places to the British Isles, Germany was the home of millions of Jews, Roma, Dutch, French, Italians, Poles, Croats, Slovens, Bosnians, you name it. Of course the Nazi's did everything to change that, but today Germany is again the most multi-cultural country in Europe with a 1/4 of the population being from other places, or at least one of their parents or grandparents. More than France or the UK.

Its only logic the German national team now looks like this, and the same people whining about all these Kanaken in our team, are the same whining about immigrants not willing to assimilate.

As for "Blacks making allot of noise about this": I grew up in a border town in Holland where allot of black people from former colony's live, and I cant count the times black friends asked me why there are almost only whites in the German team while they know very well from trips to Cologne, Essen or elsewhere how multi-cultural Germany is, and while the Dutch national team was way more multi-cultural than Germany's today.

Mind, there are still many German youngsters who played in the German youth national teams and choose to play for "their second country"this WC. Like Matip and Choupo-Moteng(Cameroon), KP Boateng and Sarpai(Ghana), or how Bosnia, Serbia and Turkey are full of players who grew up in Germany and often still live here. So it could be even more...but

Ein Jedem das Seine.

To each his own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedem_das_Seine

The Order of the Black Eagle (German: Hoher Orden vom Schwarzen Adler) was the highest order of chivalry in King Frederick the Great's Kingdom of Prussia. The Order of the Black Eagle's motto was "Suum cuique" (idiomatically, "to each according to his merits") and this motto is still used by the German military police (the Feldjäger). It was a symbol of the liberalism and religious tolerance of the Prussian Kingdom, which meant that "each can do as they choose", but all citizens must unite in their support of Prussia

[Enemy of the State]

Non-issue. Who is english and who isn't is subjective.

[Their Law]

Non-issue. Who is english and who isn't is subjective.

Maybe to you or me, but to most people it is an issue unfortunately as they view their definition as an objective rule and treat it as such.

[Pickle_mole]

Non-issue. Who is english and who isn't is subjective.

Really, i always thought the English were white northern Europeans from the British Isles, A cleearly defined ethnicity.

[Manco]

Really, i always thought the English were white northern Europeans from the British Isles, A cleearly defined ethnicity.

Brown people don't belong with white people, derp derp.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Really, i always thought the English were white northern Europeans from the British Isles, A cleearly defined ethnicity.

There are at least 5 groups who fit that definition

[Pickle_mole]

There are at least 5 groups who fit that definition

and

Brown people don't belong with white people, derp derp

Thanks Manco for elevating this discussion. Are you insinuating that i am racist since i merely point out that the British islands only native ethnicity is of white European descent? I would say the same about Persians in Persia. Its merely a fact. Now if you want to play a semantics game of Nationality/ethnicity count me out, too tiring argueing when one doesnt agree on terminology. (I didnt check for spelling, 10am on to few hours of rest, forgive me )

[Ciabhán]

and
British islands only native ethnicity is of white European descent?

Which one is that? The English? They are far more recent arrivals than the Irish, Welsh, and Scots. There are at least 4 major 'native' ethnicities in the British Isles, and loads of others. Not all of them are genetically Northern European either.

[Manco]

and
Thanks Manco for elevating this discussion. Are you insinuating that i am racist since i merely point out that the British islands only native ethnicity is of white European descent? I would say the same about Persians in Persia. Its merely a fact. Now if you want to play a semantics game of Nationality/ethnicity count me out, too tiring argueing when one doesnt agree on terminology. (I didnt check for spelling, 10am on to few hours of rest, forgive me )

Who's native English?
The Poles who've been there for a few decades? Asians who arrived in the last two centuries? Blacks who've been there for 300 and more years? Norman, Breton and Flemish descendants who arrived after Hastings? Norse that invaded during the Viking period? Celts who've been there for a few millenia? Brythonics who've been there since relatively shorty after the last Ice Age?

Which of these do you consider native?

Oh, and I don't need to insinuate anything, I've read more than enough of your posts and odes to Wilders to no longer need to insinuate.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

i merely point out that the British islands only native ethnicity is of white European descent?

'White' isn't an 'Ethnicity', its a race.

Race = physical diffrences steming from evoulution in differnet environments across the world
Ethnicity = groupings of people based on common ancestry.

[Ayleid]

Why the 'hate' about black people in particular?

Football, however, does tend to, not being intentionally offensive here, draw in the masses who are racially ignorant. At the same time, Germany's team was multi-cultural. So was Englands, but less so. It just happens that, in England; as in most places of the world, descending of English/indigenous stock makes a certain minority feel superior. I don't, necessarily, have anything against that if they keep it to themselves. However, with the point you raised earlier, they are clearly not. Hence, it is out of line.

[Phier]

Being I don't follow kick ball was the problem with Germany's team that they were German citizens who were not white, or that they were basically foreign players who were not really German?

If Germany brought in 'mercenary' players from other countries, then I can understand the annoyance, if they were in fact long time German citizens who happen to be ethnically non-white, then they would be being very hypocritical complaining.

[Their Law]

Being I don't follow kick football was the problem with Germany's team that they were German citizens who were not white, or that they were basically foreign players who were not really German?

If Germany brought in 'mercenary' players from other countries, then I can understand the annoyance, if they were in fact long time German citizens who happen to be ethnically non-white, then they would be being very hypocritical complaining.

Fixed a glaring error in your first paragraph.

They were ethnically of non German descent but were all German citizens so legally able to play. To be honest i wouldn't read to much into it. Were basing this thread of a single idiots comments on face-book of all places.

[Ayleid]

Being I don't follow kick ball was the problem with Germany's team that they were German citizens who were not white, or that they were basically foreign players who were not really German?

If Germany brought in 'mercenary' players from other countries, then I can understand the annoyance, if they were in fact long time German citizens who happen to be ethnically non-white, then they would be being very hypocritical complaining.

The point is, Germany's team was very multicultural. Polish, turkish and Ghanaen players, along with other minorities in Germany, made up the majority of their football team.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

if someone was born in acountry and lived there their whole live they are from that country

just because their grandparents were immigrants doesn't make them from their grandparents' country.

[Il-Principe]

That's a non-issue. Not really worth a thread.

But what was embarrassing is that the "foreigners" in the German team didn't want to sing the national anthem before the match. You can see that on the respective youtube videos. Taht was really strange.

[Phier]

But what was embarrassing is that the "foreigners" in the German team didn't want to sing the national anthem before the match. You can see that on the respective youtube videos. Taht was really strange.

That would be rather embarrassing.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

Germany beat England in the World Cup, and they beat them well. The man of the match was a certain Mesut Özil.

When I opened Facebook, snip

What, you just used Facebook as a source,? Ahahahahahaaha!

I though you were laughed of the forums for your Britophobia, I see your a glutton for punishment.