i just cant win this game

[ash874]

i won in ss with the templars but in third age i cantt win at all
tried a million times with gondor and failed and tried twice with the silvan elves and failed
silvan even with 20 cities have economy like zimbabue

[Wesserd]

Try to build an strong economie, dont start war in the first turns, first build your empire, build barracks etc. just care that you have good armies, and then strike your closest enemy.

[Valaraukar]

Mmmm you didn't try with the easiest faction to start, Gondor is quite hard, surrounded by ennemies and has to wait a bit to have powerfull units...but where are you failing? Is it economy or military? (both are often binded) It would be easier to answer you and help you if we know where you forget/miss something.

[ash874]

Mmmm you didn't try with the easiest faction to start, Gondor is quite hard, surrounded by ennemies and has to wait a bit to have powerfull units...but where are you failing? Is it economy or military? (both are often binded) It would be easier to answer you and help you if we know where you forget/miss something.

i posted a long answer but the explorer crashed
in short im doing everything right

[Swarbs]

i posted a long answer but the explorer crashed
in short im doing everything right

What difficulty are you playing on? Cos TATW on VHVH makes SS 6.2 VHVH look like a pillow fight...

A couple of useful hints:

- As pointed out before, Gondor is probably the hardest faction after OOTMM. Everyone struggles with them on VHVH, except the strat map pros who know every little exploit.
- As Silvan Elves, focus on Mordor first - as you move east towards Mirkwood you will encounter less enemies and will begin to get trade with Dale and Dwarves - this will help the economy a bit. The High Elves and Dwarves will usually deal quite well with the OOTMM, so you don't need to worry about your western border too much
- As you weaken a faction, various bonuses kick in for them, giving them more stacks and money. So either kill them off completely, or don't attack them at all.
- Conversely, the longer you leave the AI alive, the greater the bonuses they get. So once you have built up a large enough army to beat them down, plan your attack carefuly to kill their generals and capture their settlements asap. Short sharp conquests should be your aim.

[ash874]

What difficulty are you playing on? Cos TATW on VHVH makes SS 6.2 VHVH look like a pillow fight...

A couple of useful hints:

- As pointed out before, Gondor is probably the hardest faction after OOTMM. Everyone struggles with them on VHVH, except the strat map pros who know every little exploit.
- As Silvan Elves, focus on Mordor first - as you move east towards Mirkwood you will encounter less enemies and will begin to get trade with Dale and Dwarves - this will help the economy a bit. The High Elves and Dwarves will usually deal quite well with the OOTMM, so you don't need to worry about your western border too much
- As you weaken a faction, various bonuses kick in for them, giving them more stacks and money. So either kill them off completely, or don't attack them at all.
- Conversely, the longer you leave the AI alive, the greater the bonuses they get. So once you have built up a large enough army to beat them down, plan your attack carefuly to kill their generals and capture their settlements asap. Short sharp conquests should be your aim.

yeah i play on vhvh
but check this out
almost every city has a general (a good one) and no garrison at all
i build all farms and after that all trade
no barracks and administration at all
all my troops combined are less than two stacks and i barely lose any troops at all
i have ~15 maybe 20 cities
and i make 1500-2000 per turn
i need aid from obama

[RogueCruiser]

yeah i play on vhvh
but check this out
almost every city has a general (a good one) and no garrison at all
i build all farms and after that all trade
no barracks and administration at all
all my troops combined are less than two stacks and i barely lose any troops at all
i have ~15 maybe 20 cities
and i make 1500-2000 per turn
i need aid from obama

LOL +rep

[Ahlerich]

almost every city has a general (a good one) and no garrison at all

i did that too, like in most other mods. however in tatw as gondor it makes sense to take the generals to the front and leave a militia unit instead in cities.
agains mordor, especially in the beginning, a good cavalry helps a lot. a few militias to bind the orcs in melee and then cavalry charges to teh back by several generals.

against harad it helps too and if its only to counter their cavalry.

this is really helpful i find. you cant get good cavalry in the beginning, and general cavalry is good and you get more units like that for free over time when generals are adopted.

i dont play gondor on vh though i have to admit. i tried but i did not enjoy it. first because of the mere dificulty (i claim without extensive use of ai exploits its not possible to get the upper hand.
second reason is the stack spam. if you have one or two huge full stack battles every other round it just becomes to monotonous after 50 or 60 turns for me.

[Lordinquisitor]

What difficulty are you playing on? Cos TATW on VHVH makes SS 6.2 VHVH look like a pillow fight...

Not. True. Third Age is much easier than SS, especially much easier than the templars. And the game is supposed to be played on VH/VH, whether you are experienced or not. The factions determine the difficulty.

/Well Romans i thought you modded your game. Or rather certain unit stats. Not implying that you overpowered gondor, but every little change can make a huge difference.

[Swarbs]

yeah i play on vhvh
but check this out
almost every city has a general (a good one) and no garrison at all
i build all farms and after that all trade
no barracks and administration at all
all my troops combined are less than two stacks and i barely lose any troops at all
i have ~15 maybe 20 cities
and i make 1500-2000 per turn
i need aid from obama

Well, you probably don't need a general in every city - bodyguard upkeep is around 250 per turn, but you often won't get that back as additional income from the generals being governors. 20 cities with a general in each means a cost of 5,000 florins - use basic infanty as garrisons and you will get free upkeep for them thus saving you a packet. Also, generals are your strongest units, particularly in the early game, so use them to attack your enemies and push them back. Their bodyguards also regenerate for free, which saves you money on upkeep.

As has been said, move your capital to the city where your income is highest (try all central cities and look at your finance tab after each capital move)

Trade buildings are not always all that valuable in TATW. Focus on sea trade and don't be afraid to juice up your tax rates to get more money - city growth is not that important until you are financially secure.

Not. True. Third Age is much easier than SS, especially much easier than the templars. And the game is supposed to be played on VH/VH, whether you are experienced or not. The factions determine the difficulty.

Well I found Templars in SS6.2 to be much easier than OOTMM on VH/VH. Tho' I did expand ridiculously quickly by besieging Antioch, Aleppo, Edessa, Damascus and Acre with small enough armies that the rebels sallied first turn and I could ride them down with my generals. And got Byzantium to attack the Turks leaving me free to squish the Fatamids. But you're right - a lot depends on the faction you choose and your style of play.

EDIT: When playing Gondor I find it best to stick five infantry units each in E. Osgiliath and Cair Andros, and five archers in W. Osgiliath, and build up the required barracks buildings to make them all free upkeep. Then leave four or five cavalry units with a general in E. Os. Now you can defend wherever Mordor attacks simply by shifting your cavalry and the archers from W. Osgiliath to that point. You will be able to face Mordor with 15 units (five garrison units, five cavalry units and five archers from W. Os). This will cost around 1k per turn in upkeep (which is less than the revenue you get from Osgiliath and Cair Andros) plus retaining costs after each battle, and will keep Mordor down until they start getting trolls. By this point, you should have taken over most of south Harad, and have built up a good professional army (by expanding the barracks and archery range in all three border settlements and upgrading to higher level troops as you do) and can roll a full stack up to Minas Morgul and pin Mordor back for good.

[Lordinquisitor]

Play Mordor or the High elves. If you fail with those i`ll wonder how you were able to win with the templars.

[Valaraukar]

Play Mordor or the High elves. If you fail with those i`ll wonder how you were able to win with the templars.

True, they are really easy, secured starting position and strong economy

[ash874]

Play Mordor or the High elves. If you fail with those i`ll wonder how you were able to win with the templars.

didnt just win but on vhvh + no loads

[Lordinquisitor]

Also if you used Realistic combat and recruitment for SS you might want to get it for the third age, too.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=259833

[son of romans]

Here some scrinshots and on this tread are many advices,mainly mine if have questions ask me.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=359548&page=6

Look,learn to play and you can win long campaign at very hard quite fast

[Hero of the West]

Here some scrinshots and on this tread are many advices,mainly mine if have questions ask me.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=359548&page=6

Look,learn to play and you can win long campaign at very hard quite fast

you are either cheating or your game is tweaked .. however it's not a art if you win a game like this the guy who asks would actually like a challenge.. and then win..

[son of romans]

you are either cheating or your game is tweaked .. however it's not a art if you win a game like this the guy who asks would actually like a challenge.. and then win..

Because I know that I haven't cheated,and I won the fastest campaign I think I am able to give advices,for begining player in TA,it's enought,I will not respond to further accuses.

[Knox213]

you are either cheating or your game is tweaked .. however it's not a art if you win a game like this the guy who asks would actually like a challenge.. and then win..

Turn 39

[Hero of the West]

Turn 39

jep with normal recruiting you can never have those horse units/ that much in turn 39... let alone walk that much on a battlefield.. i never accuse people normally.. but this is just as fake as it can be i believe.. or it must be an mod that really makes stuff megaeasy for the player. and those i don't know how many generals in a stack walking in mordor from the link.. it just ain't sitting right..

[son of romans]

jep with normal recruiting you can never have those horse units/ that much in turn 39... let alone walk that much on a battlefield.. i never accuse people normally.. but this is just as fake as it can be i believe.. or it must be an mod that really makes stuff megaeasy for the player. and those i don't know how many generals in a stack walking in mordor from the link.. it just ain't sitting right..

I get this Eldar Lancers for missions,each missin give 4 of this units,around HE teritories are least 8 rebbbel regions and on second download after every finished mission I get new one,in 1.3,1.4 Eldar Lancers are showen as recrutable in first stable tear. You are bad player if you don't know that if a captain wins battle he can become GENERAL WITH BODYGUARD-Lesson.