Turkey:Iranian Regime is no friend

**glitch** · July 19, 2010, 01:04 PM

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There has been a lot of talk about Turkey and Iran becoming "buddy-buddy" over the year, especially since Turkey voted against sanctions against Iran. But I truly believe that the Iranian "Government" is no friend to Turkey, and wishes to undermine them and drive a wedge between them and the West

“Branch 5000 operated in three fields in Turkey: assassination-bombing, kidnapping and gaining sympathizers, that is, bringing new names into the organization and using Turkey as a base for action in other countries. The Iranian agents have organized tens of assassinations in the mid-90s,” the author wrote in his book, which has been subject to wide debate in the United States.

Others books* have claimed that Iran backs the PKK, and Turkey is forced to look the other way because they depend on Iranian natural gases and oil.

*books:
book 1
book 2
book 3

"There's daggers in men's smiles"

**Banana Jelly** · July 19, 2010, 01:49 PM

They aren't friends. Turkey just has a soft side to Iran, that America just can't stand.

**CiviC** · July 19, 2010, 01:51 PM

Even if Iran is sincere about firendship with Turkey, it would be the worst friend Turkey could get (except North Korea). The close enemies of Turkey would be very happy to see Turkey in the same box with Iran.

**Ozzmosis** · July 19, 2010, 02:19 PM

I think Iran is a trading partner and not much else (though Erdogan has subtly been alienating Turkey from the west for years now)

**dogukan** · July 19, 2010, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ozzmosis

I think Iran is a trading partner and not much else (though Erdogan has subtly been alienating Turkey from the west for years now)

ne one else worked this hard for EU membership

**cenkiss** · July 19, 2010, 02:22 PM

Iran does not see Turkey as a friend.But as a rival.

I don't think iran supports pkk.Because they have been fighting pjak for some time.

**PointOfViewGun** · July 19, 2010, 02:26 PM

Iran is simply a major trading partner which may also play an important role for pipelines that would pass through Turkey.
Turkey had no option but to vote "No" with Brazil as they already made the deal for nuclear fuel exchange. The whole sanctions things became kinda retarded when Russia declared the sanctions not to cover selling missiles to Iran.
Iran is a friend of Turkey as much as any other of its neighbours. Historically speaking, if you see any states from the region shaking hands with a neighbours it's completely for economic reason as we Turks sometimes say "It's completely emotional(you also make the counting money sign with your hand while you say this last word)".

**Nikos** · July 19, 2010, 02:33 PM

Not really about a current political event, moved to the Academy.

-Nikos

**grouchy13** · July 19, 2010, 05:12 PM

I agree with the sentiments echoed here that the Turks while happy to trade and profit from the Iranians they logically see them as a regional rival, with the dismemberment of Iraq by the coalition,the rise in militant Islam in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan in particular thus preventing them from projecting too much power beyond there own borders and with the marginalisation of Jordan and another local power Syria's time filled with backing Hezbollah and other acts of sedation against Israel the two men still standing so to speak are Turkey and Iran that is too however discount in my opinion the real regional power Israel.
The recent ugly sceptical of the aid flotilla will have gone some way to detract the Turks from Israel but this by no means is a sign the Turks and the Iranians bed fellows. The Turkish people are wise enough to see that Iran with its major rival (Iraq) humbled and the western powers embroiled in Afganistan (believing they have a free hand within the region) supporting Syria and Hezbollah,Hamas in there struggle and coupled with increased Naval activity in the straights of Hormuz and the Gulf of Oman seek military hegemony over the region.
I believe both sides will have a suspicious eye on one another the Turks probably more so, with them moving away from Europe and the West and in my opinion becoming a counter weight in the region to Iran, my prediction is that in time states such as Jordan,Saudi Arabia and Egypt will look towards Turkey as the guiding hand in the Region while i fear the Iranians will continue to undermine the Iraqi government looking to bring the Shia south more openly under there influence but on the other hand with the near uprising following the elections and the recent resurgence of the Jundullah insurgency in eastern Iran (which incidently is supported by the more radical sunni factions) the Turks have a considerable advantage in the respect of there highly stable government buoyed even more in popularity following the aid flottilla incident.
Should the Nuclear program be about the creation of a weapon and not for civilian power it will up the ante considerably and it is only logical that Turkey if it wishes to continue as a premier power within the region will have to either develop its own weapon or be forced to marginalised by Iran thus leaving the Iranians a free hand to further build on there considerable power.
There is alot of speculation in what i have written but as an outsider i hoped to present an unbiased view to me these two states stand out in the region history teaches us that in situation similar to these when two power blocs are forming ( i believe we are only in the most formative stage at present ) that the lesser states will gather under one or the others protection (take the Peloponnesian war for example) i just hope for everybodys welfare they learn some of the lessons posterity has handed us and do not make the same mistakes.

**desean** · July 20, 2010, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by glitch

...because they depend on Iranian natural gases...

thats roftlol

so cars in turkey work on fart fuel?

Originally Posted by dogukan

ne one else worked this hard for EU membership

so true, turkey looks like a neglected kid who couldnt join the local school, so now he vandalizes the place
if you cath what I mean

**~~Yosemite~~** · July 20, 2010, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by desean

so true, turkey looks like a neglected kid who couldnt join the local school, so now he vandalizes the place
if you cath what I mean

pure discrimination indeed!

we should demand reparations right away!

**glitch** · July 20, 2010, 04:48 PM

thats roftlol

so cars in turkey work on fart fuel?

The only thing funny is your immaturity. As Robert Baer put it, it could be "lights out in Ankara."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=61260

**Banana Jelly** · July 20, 2010, 05:45 PM

Indeed. The EU is racist against Turks.

**white-wolf** · July 20, 2010, 06:41 PM

Indeed, Turkey and Iran as friends as Turkey and Greece. Although, if my memory not fails me, Turkey and Iran did not fight a war with each other in the last 300 years. The border between them stable since 1600s. (take this ME history nerds!).

Honestly, Iran and Turkey are rivals.

Ahh, and at least 1/3 of Iran's population is shia Turks (more correctly Azeris). In Iran, there are more Azeris than Azerbaijan.

**Babur** · July 20, 2010, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by white-wolf

Although, if my memory not fails me, Turkey and Iran did not fight a war with each other in the last 300 years. The border between them stable since 1600s. (take this ME history nerds!).

well the Ottomans did invade Iran in 1722 and occupied Kermanshah,Hamadan and Tabriz

Honestly, Iran and Turkey are rivals.

just like old times eh?

Ahh, and at least 1/3 of Iran's population is shia Turks (more correctly Azeris). In Iran, there are more Azeris than Azerbaijan.

well there are Turkmen in Iran, the most famous of which was Nadir Shah.

**white-wolf** · July 20, 2010, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Babur

well the Ottomans did invade Iran in 1722 and occupied Kermanshah,Hamadan and Tabriz

2010-1722 ~ 300

just like old times eh?

yeah. (without visible punches).

One more point; I do not think Arabs love Shia-Iran very much.

well there are Turkmen in Iran, the most famous of which was Nadir Shah.

Well, at the North-Westwern Iran, there are Turkmenistan Turkmens. I do not count other Turkic groups also.

And, Azeris are western Turkmens; you know; O'ghuz, Seljuks, Kara Koyunlu, Ak Koyunlu, etc. Northern Iraq Turks are still called as Turkmen.

**Babur** · July 20, 2010, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by white-wolf

2010-1722 ~ 300

well 288 years actually

yeah. (without visible punches).

One more point; I do not think Arabs love Shia-Iran very much.

well the Omanis don't seem to mind Iran too much and the UAE does have an Iranian community.Plus I think that some people visit Kish Island from Dubai.

Well, at the North-Westwern Iran, there are Turkmenistan Turkmens. I do not count other Turkic groups also.

And, Azeris are western Turkmens; you know; O'ghuz, Seljuks, Kara Koyunlu, Ak Koyunlu, etc. Northern Iraq Turks are still called as Turkmen.

by Turkmen I mean these Sunni guys

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**white-wolf** · July 20, 2010, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Babur

well 288 years actually

288 ~ 300

well the Omanis don't seem to mind Iran too much and the UAE does have an Iranian community.Plus I think that some people visit Kish Island from Dubai.

Does not count. "Vast" majority of Arabs do not love Iran much. You know ; shia and sunni rivality.

by Turkmen I mean these Sunni guys

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Yes. As I said; Turkmenistan Turkmens. Eastern Turkmens.

**Kurdawar** · July 21, 2010, 09:07 PM

Don't really know much about Iranian and Turkish relation but they seem to aid eachother in fighting Kurdish rebels, both Iran and Turkey have from time to time invaded Iraqi Kurdish territory to bomb/shell HRK(PJAK) and HPG(KCK) fighters. About a month ago i read about a incident were Iranian soliders "mistook" Iraqi Kurdish boarder guards as Kurdish insurgents and started firing upon them. So i think that they have joint operations against Kurdish rebells. Other then that both countries are ruled by islamists and they seem share a great hatred for Israel.