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    "Imagine if the Tea Party Was Black" - Tim Wise
    Let’s play a game, shall we? The name of the game is called “Imagine.” The way it’s played is simple: we’ll envision recent happenings in the news, but then change them up a bit. Instead of envisioning white people as the main actors in the scenes we’ll conjure - the ones who are driving the action - we’ll envision black folks or other people of color instead. The object of the game is to imagine the public reaction to the events or incidents, if the main actors were of color, rather than white. Whoever gains the most insight into the workings of race in America, at the end of the game, wins.

    So let’s begin.

    Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government? Would these protester — these black protesters with guns — be seen as brave defenders of the Second Amendment, or would they be viewed by most whites as a danger to the republic? What if they were Arab-Americans? Because, after all, that’s what happened recently when white gun enthusiasts descended upon the nation’s capital, arms in hand, and verbally announced their readiness to make war on the country’s political leaders if the need arose.

    Imagine that white members of Congress, while walking to work, were surrounded by thousands of angry black people, one of whom proceeded to spit on one of those congressmen for not voting the way the black demonstrators desired. Would the protesters be seen as merely patriotic Americans voicing their opinions, or as an angry, potentially violent, and even insurrectionary mob? After all, this is what white Tea Party protesters did recently in Washington.

    Imagine that a rap artist were to say, in reference to a white president: “He’s a piece of and I told him to suck on my machine gun.” Because that’s what rocker Ted Nugent said recently about President Obama.

    Imagine that a prominent mainstream black political commentator had long employed an overt bigot as Executive Director of his organization, and that this bigot regularly participated in black separatist conferences, and once assaulted a white person while calling them by a racial slur. When that prominent black commentator and his sister — who also works for the organization — defended the bigot as a good guy who was misunderstood and “going through a tough time in his life” would anyone accept their excuse-making? Would that commentator still have a place on a mainstream network? Because that’s what happened in the real world, when Pat Buchanan employed as Executive Director of his group, America’s Cause, a blatant racist who did all these things, or at least their white equivalents: attending white separatist conferences and attacking a black woman while calling her the n-word.

    Imagine that a black radio host were to suggest that the only way to get promoted in the administration of a white president is by “hating black people,” or that a prominent white person had only endorsed a white presidential candidate as an act of racial bonding, or blamed a white president for a fight on a school bus in which a black kid was jumped by two white kids, or said that he wouldn’t want to kill all conservatives, but rather, would like to leave just enough—“living fossils” as he called them—“so we will never forget what these people stood for.” After all, these are things that Rush Limbaugh has said, about Barack Obama’s administration, Colin Powell’s endorsement of Barack Obama, a fight on a school bus in Belleville, Illinois in which two black kids beat up a white kid, and about liberals, generally.

    Imagine that a black pastor, formerly a member of the U.S. military, were to declare, as part of his opposition to a white president’s policies, that he was ready to “suit up, get my gun, go to Washington, and do what they trained me to do.” This is, after all, what Pastor Stan Craig said recently at a Tea Party rally in Greenville, South Carolina.

    Imagine a black radio talk show host gleefully predicting a revolution by people of color if the government continues to be dominated by the rich white men who have been “destroying” the country, or if said radio personality were to call Christians or Jews non-humans, or say that when it came to conservatives, the best solution would be to “hang ‘em high.” And what would happen to any congressional representative who praised that commentator for “speaking common sense” and likened his hate talk to “American values?” After all, those are among the things said by radio host and best-selling author Michael Savage, predicting white revolution in the face of multiculturalism, or said by Savage about Muslims and liberals, respectively. And it was Congressman Culbertson, from Texas, who praised Savage in that way, despite his hateful rhetoric.

    Imagine a black political commentator suggesting that the only thing the guy who flew his plane into the Austin, Texas IRS building did wrong was not blowing up Fox News instead. This is, after all, what Anne Coulter said about Tim McVeigh, when she noted that his only mistake was not blowing up the New York Times.

    Imagine that a popular black liberal website posted comments about the daughter of a white president, calling her “typical redneck trash,” or a “whore” whose mother entertains her by “making monkey sounds.” After all that’s comparable to what conservatives posted about Malia Obama on freerepublic.com last year, when they referred to her as “ghetto trash.”

    Imagine that black protesters at a large political rally were walking around with signs calling for the lynching of their congressional enemies. Because that’s what white conservatives did last year, in reference to Democratic party leaders in Congress.

    In other words, imagine that even one-third of the anger and vitriol currently being hurled at President Obama, by folks who are almost exclusively white, were being aimed, instead, at a white president, by people of color. How many whites viewing the anger, the hatred, the contempt for that white president would then wax eloquent about free speech, and the glories of democracy? And how many would be calling for further crackdowns on thuggish behavior, and investigations into the radical agendas of those same people of color?

    To ask any of these questions is to answer them. Protest is only seen as fundamentally American when those who have long had the luxury of seeing themselves as prototypically American engage in it. When the dangerous and dark “other” does so, however, it isn’t viewed as normal or natural, let alone patriotic. Which is why Rush Limbaugh could say, this past week, that the Tea Parties are the first time since the Civil War that ordinary, common Americans stood up for their rights: a statement that erases the normalcy and “American-ness” of blacks in the civil rights struggle, not to mention women in the fight for suffrage and equality, working people in the fight for better working conditions, and LGBT folks as they struggle to be treated as full and equal human beings.

    And this, my friends, is what white privilege is all about. The ability to threaten others, to engage in violent and incendiary rhetoric without consequence, to be viewed as patriotic and normal no matter what you do, and never to be feared and despised as people of color would be, if they tried to get away with half the we do, on a daily basis.

    Game Over.
    An article I stumbled on in another forum. Food for thought for our American cousins perhaps?

    Also, bit random this, but the article is way cooler if you imagine Samuel L Jackson reading it a la Pulp Fiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingle_Bombs View Post
    An article I stumbled on in another forum. Food for thought for our American cousins perhaps?

    Also, bit random this, but the article is way cooler if you imagine Samuel L Jackson reading it a la Pulp Fiction.
    They brought guns? I do not remember that and if they did not then the whole article is kinda stupid.



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    They call them terrorists, I call them freedom fighters.”
    – Louis Farrakhan, on Hezbollah, at District Council 33 Union Hall, Philadelphia, April 22, 1996


    “The Jews have been so bad at politics they lost half their population in the Holocaust. They thought they could trust in Hitler, and they helped him get the Third Reich on the road.”
    –Saviours’ Day speech, Chicago, February 1998

    “White people are potential humans – they haven’t evolved yet.”
    –Philadelphia Inquirer, March 2000

    “Now that nation called Israel, never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under His holy and righteous name.”
    – Louis Farrakhan, 1984

    “Many of the Jews who owned the homes, the apartments in the black community, we considered them bloodsuckers because they took from our community and built their community but didn’t offer anything back to our community.”


    “The same year they set up the IRS, they set up the FBI. And the same year they set up the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith… It could be a coincidence… [I want] to see black intellectuals free… I want to see them not controlled by members of the Jewish community.”

    “…America desires a moderate Islam; an Islam that America can control; an Islam that America can give direction to and give orders to its leaders. So, this war is against the Islam that the West does not control.”

    “The Jews don’t like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that’s a good name. Hitler was a very great man.”

    “It appears that there is a genocidal plan against Black people.”

    “Dewey, Kant and Hegel, and the rabbis that wrote the Talmud, make blacks inferior.”

    Murder and lying comes easy for white people.”

    “I believe that for the small numbers of Jewish people in the United States, they exercise a tremendous amount of influence on the affairs of government …Yes, they exercise extraordinary control, and black people will never be free in this country until they are free of that kind of control … “
    –Meet The Press interview, April 1997

    “Qaddafi is hated because he is the leader of a small country that is rich, but he uses his money to finance liberation struggles.”

    “The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the late of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years.”
    – Louis Farrakhan, City College audience in New York

    “I recognized that the black man will never be free until we address the relationship between blacks and Jews.”

    “America will always side with those whom she can direct, give orders to and have those orders obeyed.”

    “Countless times over the years I have explained that I never referred to Judaism as a dirty religion, but, clearly referred to the machinations of those who hide behind the shield of Judaism while using unjust political means to achieve their objectives.”

    This was distilled in the New York tabloids and other media saying, “Farrakhan calls Judaism a gutter religion.” As a Muslim, I revere Abraham, Moses, and all the Prophets who Allah (God) sent to the children of Israel. I believe in the scriptures brought by these Prophets and the Laws of Allah (God) as expressed in the Torah. I would never refer to the Revealed Word of Allah (God) — the basis of Jewish Faith — as “dirty” or “gutter.”
    –Letter to the Wall Street Journal June 18, 1997

    “These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It’s the wicked Jews, the false Jews that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality, [and] Zionists have manipulated Bush and the American government [on the war in Iraq]“
    –February 2006 NOI event



    This thread is an insult to Louis Farrakhan. He has worked too damn hard to be the most obnoxious bigot in the country to be forgotten so easily.
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    How many times do we have to tell people; the Tea Party isn't racist. It isn't because there's a black man in the White House; it's because there's a socialist-leaning radical leftist in the White House AND the radicals have taken over Congress and shoved all sorts of crap down the collective throats of ordinary Americans.

    The whole thing about calling the Tea Partiers racist is part of the typical leftist strategy of ad hominem attacks to discredit their critics. They call their opponents racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc rather than actually addressing or trying to refute their arguments. On top of that, the Tea Partiers haven't done more than a fraction of what the radical lefties have accused them of doing (the stuff mostly being made up like the spitting and racist name-calling incidents at the capitol), and the ones that did are the fringe. There's always a fringe element, but that element within the Tea Party is made to look representative of the movement.

    Never mind the fact that leftist-leaning protesters tend to be more violent and indecent than their conservative counterparts.
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    Yet another silly attempt to bully the TP and make them look like something there not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_legged_devils View Post
    Yet another silly attempt to bully the TP and make them look like something there not.

    yet you avoid answering the question, if the Tea Party had been a mass black or arab-american movement against Bush calling for the lynching of congressmen and the murder of the president, would you have supported that as popular sovereignty? Or would you have called for them to be arrested? (And Bush's desire for revenge against saddam killed over a quarter of a million people, [thats taking a low estimate] making him one of the worst mass murderers of the past 40 years] but hey he was a white christian so mass murder is to be lauded as patriotism ) I before you ask: I will shut up about Bush's crimes the second his neck is stretched after his trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    yet you avoid answering the question, if the Tea Party had been a mass black or arab-american movement against Bush calling for the lynching of congressmen and the murder of the president, would you have supported that as popular sovereignty? Or would you have called for them to be arrested? (And Bush's desire for revenge against saddam killed over a quarter of a million people, [thats taking a low estimate] making him one of the worst mass murderers of the past 40 years] but hey he was a white christian so mass murder is to be lauded as patriotism ) I before you ask: I will shut up about Bush's crimes the second his neck is stretched after his trial.
    You are hilarious, I really needed that.

    As for the tea party, I think the bad elements found in it (as in many big movements) can not be construed as representative of the majority, nor can they be used to define the movement as a whole.

    I find all these claims of racism or threat to be a laughable attempt at discrediting views and goals that are very valid, and it disappoints me.
    People will believe a lie because they want it to be true; or they're afraid it's true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    yet you avoid answering the question, if the Tea Party had been a mass black or arab-american movement against Bush calling for the lynching of congressmen and the murder of the president, would you have supported that as popular sovereignty? Or would you have called for them to be arrested? (And Bush's desire for revenge against saddam killed over a quarter of a million people, [thats taking a low estimate] making him one of the worst mass murderers of the past 40 years] but hey he was a white christian so mass murder is to be lauded as patriotism ) I before you ask: I will shut up about Bush's crimes the second his neck is stretched after his trial.
    Your confusing a few peoples thoughts and views with the Tea Party's platform which is a very dangerous thing to do. Your making it like the Tea Party's platform is to lynch blacks in power. There was a sign that 1 person was holding that said something about lynching and for all we know he could be some liberal there just to discredit the tea party.

    During the million man march I'm sure there were some racist blacks there who wanted to kill some white people. According to your reasoning, the million man march must of been about killing whiteys because a few blacks there were racist. You said your want Bush dead. I don't know where your from, but would it be fair for me to say that everyone who lives in the same country as you is a racist who wants to kill white people because you want Bush dead?

    Stop buying into to the medias lies. They are trying to stir up racial tension to get blacks energized for the upcoming elections. They are doing this by trying to make the Tea Party the enemy because Barrack sure as hell isn't doing anything to energize them.

    Are there a few racist idiots in the Tea Party? Sure just like there are racists in the NAACP. There are racists everywhere. Don't confuse one mans views with a whole parties views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    ... before you ask: I will shut up about Bush's crimes the second his neck is stretched after his trial.
    Don't hold your breath ...

    @Phier
    I agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    yet you avoid answering the question, if the Tea Party had been a mass black or arab-american movement against Bush calling for the lynching of congressmen and the murder of the president, would you have supported that as popular sovereignty? Or would you have called for them to be arrested? (And Bush's desire for revenge against saddam killed over a quarter of a million people, [thats taking a low estimate] making him one of the worst mass murderers of the past 40 years] but hey he was a white christian so mass murder is to be lauded as patriotism ) I before you ask: I will shut up about Bush's crimes the second his neck is stretched after his trial.
    Wierd, i dont recall reading that the TP's main obj was the "lynching of congressmen and the murder of the president"? Silly me i thought it was about reducing our debt, keeping government small and in balance. What a dumbass i am for not seeing it as the vile racist neo nazi party our fair news media has uncovered! very tricky whitey, very tricky....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Othniel View Post
    It isn't because there's a black man in the White House; it's because there's a socialist-leaning radical leftist in the White House
    how is he a socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    The my fear onof the left is so thick you could spread it on bread.
    corrected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    corrected
    I don't need to slander the left to discredit them, they do so with their demonstratively bad policies.

    I predicted prior to the election that Obama would be the best thing to happen to the Republican party, and so far he has been, though sadly it will not be worth the damage he is doing prior to the November election. It will take decades to correct that, if its not already to late.

    Quote Originally Posted by Htom Sirveaux View Post
    Nice article by Tim Wise, I've always liked him. It speaks a lot how much reactionaries hate him, given the mental gymnastics we've seen in this thread. Nice dodging of the issue with Farrakhan, brilliant example of conservative fear mongering. As we know, Farrakhan speaks for all people of color! Seriously, this forum is a cess-pit of racism, conservatism, and nationalism. How people can think the Tea Party is not racist is beyond me. I guess ya'll must have missed the founder of the Tea Party Express's racist rant a few days ago. Listen, conservatives. You are not oppressed by scary liberals and black people.

    Conservatism has controlled American politics since Nixon's "southern strategy." Furthermore, there has never, ever, been a left wing party in control of the government in the US. Ever. So stop whining about losing a legitimate election. Conservatives fought for slavery (and no you can't call the Republican party of yore the same institution as today), fought against the freed blacks in reconstruction, fought against the civil rights movement, and now fight against social welfare (otherwise known as helping poor and minorities and being decent human beings). This will be dismissed as an angry rant, which it is angry, and this forum will continue to grow more and more reactionary. Honestly, the amount of racism gives a bad impression to new visitors. Man this forum has changed since the days of looking for Time Commander videos. Honestly, just go to Something Awful instead.
    I love your reasoning, when a Republican does something for society, they are not really conservatives.

    But really ..

    otherwise known as helping poor and minorities and being decent human beings
    If you think thats what it is about you are completely hopeless and not worthy of debating. You drank the coolaid deeply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Othniel View Post
    How many times do we have to tell people; the Tea Party isn't racist. It isn't because there's a black man in the White House; it's because there's a socialist-leaning radical leftist in the White House AND the radicals have taken over Congress and shoved all sorts of crap down the collective throats of ordinary Americans.

    The whole thing about calling the Tea Partiers racist is part of the typical leftist strategy of ad hominem attacks to discredit their critics. They call their opponents racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc rather than actually addressing or trying to refute their arguments. On top of that, the Tea Partiers haven't done more than a fraction of what the radical lefties have accused them of doing (the stuff mostly being made up like the spitting and racist name-calling incidents at the capitol), and the ones that did are the fringe. There's always a fringe element, but that element within the Tea Party is made to look representative of the movement.

    Never mind the fact that leftist-leaning protesters tend to be more violent and indecent than their conservative counterparts.
    For the umpteen billionth time: OBAMA IS NOT A SOCIALIST

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mandelson View Post
    For the umpteen billionth time: OBAMA IS NOT A SOCIALIST

    I agree, he is a fascist. Socialist want public ownership on the major means of production so as to serve the interests of the state. Fascist, like obama, know this unnecessary. It is enough to bend the will of the owners of production to serve the interests of the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    I agree, he is a fascist. Socialist want public ownership on the major means of production so as to serve the interests of the state. Fascist, like obama, know this unnecessary. It is enough to bend the will of the owners of production to serve the interests of the state.
    Hahah...

    ....You posted this in a thread on this very sub forum when the Tea Party was accused of facist leanings.



    It applies here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    I agree, he is a fascist. Socialist want public ownership on the major means of production so as to serve the interests of the state. Fascist, like obama, know this unnecessary. It is enough to bend the will of the owners of production to serve the interests of the state.
    You know I almost posted that Obama is a fascist but I did not when I thought about it. On the corporate side, he is, but the main difference is that fascism tends to work on being a unifying force against outsiders. Obama is just the opposite, and thats what being a modern democrat is all about, its not being a unifying force, but a dividing one, keeping each group against the other, and wanting internal enemies. Sure Hitler had his Jews and some others, but for the Democrats its not us vrs them but, You vrs those guys, and those guys vrs these guys. Keep as many groups directly beholding to the democrats for their success, minorities, unions, the perceived idea that woman's rights focus on abortion, that sort of thing. It doesn't matter if one group doesn't like the other, as long as they all require the democrats for their agendas.
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    People can pretend the Tea Party is full of vicious racists all they want, the results in November are going to be the same.

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    Yeah those damn racist white people show up at these rallies with guns!





    "We have a man of color in the Presidency and white people showing up with guns strapped to their waist" -MSNBC

    But it turns out that the angry racist white guy was a black guy after all!




    Wake up people! The media is trying to make they tea party look like racists because they want blacks to be scared of the Tea Party. Why? Because they are a threat to Obama. MSNBC edited the hell out of that video to make it look like angry white racists are at these tea party events to try and kill Obama who is just as much white as he is black btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l3ol3o View Post
    Yeah those damn racist white people show up at these rallies with guns!





    "We have a man of color in the Presidency and white people showing up with guns strapped to their waist" -MSNBC

    But it turns out that the angry racist white guy was a black guy after all!




    Wake up people! The media is trying to make they tea party look like racists because they want blacks to be scared of the Tea Party. Why? Because they are a threat to Obama. MSNBC edited the hell out of that video to make it look like angry white racists are at these tea party events to try and kill Obama who is just as much white as he is black btw.
    yous a racis

    this black man has more balls than most whites who whine and cry at the president

    at least he brings out the big guns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
    yous a racis

    this black man has more balls than most whites who whine and cry at the president

    at least he brings out the big guns
    But if we did that we would be called racists



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