Similarities/Differences in Tea Party and Nazi Ideology

[thewolflord]

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT accusing all Tea Party supporters of being Nazi's (although some fringe TPers happen to be so). I just want to provoke some thought and debate (which is what politicians hate ).

Let's begin with the SIMILARITIES:

- Blaming the nation's suffering on primarily left-wing groups and minorities (Liberals, Democrats, illegal immigrants, and Obama for TP, Liberals, Jews, Communists, and other minorities like the Roma for Nazis)

- Promoting national exceptionalism (meaning their country is far better than all other nations in the world)

- Regards academia as being controlled by "the enemy" (Liberals ("Liberal Ivy League")/Jews)

- Promoting a strong military (Militarism)

- Strong disdain for communism or any Marx-like philosophy

- Promoting themselves as a party for the common people

- Emphasis on national pride (which is not necessarily a bad thing. Only in massive doses is it a poison.)

- Opposes "mixing" (TP: Internationalism and Multiculturalism vs. Nazi: Mixing of "pure" and "dirty" blood

- alleges that "the enemy" is conspiring to ruin the nation (TP: Liberals, Obama, Democrats, and the like. Nazis: Jews, Communists, and various minorities)

- both fall into the "far right" category on the political compass

- both emerged during times of economic hardship

- bending religion to suit their respective ideological agendas ("Priests will be paid by us and, as a result, they will preach what we want." - Martin Bormann)

- both ideologies are based extensively on already existing ideas and thoughts (I will elaborate if asked)

- both promote the deportation of certain peoples from a nation (TP: Illegal immigrants. Nazis: Jews and various minorities)

Now for the DIFFERENCES:

- TPers run on a platform of small government while Nazis centralized the German government

- Unlike some fringe (keyword: FRINGE) TPers, Hitler demanded that he gain power through legal means and not through violent revolution

- Tea Party ideology is less based on race and much more on political affiliations and ideologies

- The Tea Party (with the exception of the hardcore fringe units) does not endorse the extermination of Jews and other minorites.

- Tea Partiers do not support euthanasia (at least as far as I know)

- Nazis were anti-capitalist while Tea Partiers are ardent supporters of capitalism

- The Nazis had mainstream acceptance in German society (mostly due to propaganda). The Tea Party has yet to attain full mainstream acceptance.


Aaaaaand that's all I can think of for now. Feel free to point out any similarities/differences between the two that I missed. But please, for God's sake, keep it civilized.

And again, I AM NOT ACCUSING THE TEA PARTY OF BEING NAZIS! Thank you, and.... FIGHT!

[Ciabhán]

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT accusing all Tea Party supporters of being Nazi's (although some fringe TPers happen to be so). I just want to provoke some thought and debate (which is what politicians hate ).

Let's begin with the SIMILARITIES:

- Blaming the nation's suffering on primarily left-wing groups and minorities (Liberals, Democrats, illegal immigrants, and Obama for TP, Liberals, Jews, Communists, and other minorities like the Roma for Nazis)

- Promoting national exceptionalism (meaning their country is far better than all other nations in the world)

- Regards academia as being controlled by "the enemy" (Liberals ("Liberal Ivy League")/Jews)

- Promoting a strong military (Militarism)

- Strong disdain for communism or any Marx-like philosophy

- Promoting themselves as a party for the common people

- Emphasis on national pride (which is not necessarily a bad thing. Only in massive doses is it a poison.)

- Opposes "mixing" (TP: Internationalism and Multiculturalism vs. Nazi: Mixing of "pure" and "dirty" blood

- alleges that "the enemy" is conspiring to ruin the nation (TP: Liberals, Obama, Democrats, and the like. Nazis: Jews, Communists, and various minorities)

- both fall into the "far right" category on the political compass

- both emerged during times of economic hardship

- bending religion to suit their respective ideological agendas ("Priests will be paid by us and, as a result, they will preach what we want." - Martin Bormann)

- both ideologies are based extensively on already existing ideas and thoughts (I will elaborate if asked)

- both promote the deportation of certain peoples from a nation (TP: Illegal immigrants. Nazis: Jews and various minorities)

Now for the DIFFERENCES:

- TPers run on a platform of small government while Nazis centralized the German government

- Unlike some fringe (keyword: FRINGE) TPers, Hitler demanded that he gain power through legal means and not through violent revolution

- Tea Party ideology is less based on race and much more on political affiliations and ideologies

- The Tea Party (with the exception of the hardcore fringe units) does not endorse the extermination of Jews and other minorites.

- Tea Partiers do not support euthanasia (at least as far as I know)

- Nazis were anti-capitalist while Tea Partiers are ardent supporters of capitalism

- The Nazis had mainstream acceptance in German society (mostly due to propaganda). The Tea Party has yet to attain full mainstream acceptance.


Aaaaaand that's all I can think of for now. Feel free to point out any similarities/differences between the two that I missed. But please, for God's sake, keep it civilized.

And again, I AM NOT ACCUSING THE TEA PARTY OF BEING NAZIS! Thank you, and.... FIGHT!

ILLEGAL IMMINGRANTS: They are illegal. That makes them criminals. It's a simple thing. I don't quite understand why this is hard to figure out. Immigrants are fine when they go through proper channels.

DECENTRALISED GOVERNMENT: This is far more fair though less powerful. I'm from Northern Ireland though I am also a U.S. citizen and I definately support decentralisation.

FAR RIGHT: From what I've seen many Tea Party supporters are Libertarian or supporters of decentralised government. Far different from facism and thus nothing like Nazi ideology.

IDEOLOGY: Not liking the political views of the opposing party is so far different than calling for the extermination of the opposition it isn't worth mention.

STRONG MILITARY: In no way does supporting the military=militaristic. Just because one supports ones nation's soldiers does not make one a warmonger.

DEPORTATION: Sending ILLEGAL immigrants home is nothing like kicking out or killing Jews/Gypsies/etc. Once again that ILLEGAL part comes into it.

RELIGION: Should always be kept seperate from politics. I agree that it's influence on some Tea Party members might be strong but I would more than likely support that movement if I was voting in the U.S. and I'm a bloody atheist. Religion /= politics.

ECONOMIC HARDSHIP: Of course. When things are going well and only the shiftless and lazy are unemployed then illegal workers and migrants don't matter. When highly qualified and educated people have been unemployed for years or are working for minimum wage, lost their houses, and have few options then they will naturally wonder why illegally employed persons are not being sent back to their own country.

BTW your bloody president can't really be considered a minority. He's the bloody president and he's half white. I don't think nearly as many people have a problem with his 'race' as they do with his politics. It used to be that I would consider taking my family to the U.S. for healthcare, I have money and can and will pay for better care, once your new healthcare bill passes our system will be far superior even though it's . Of course if you don't mind bureaucrats who couldn't find their arse with a map, making minimum federal salaries, and getting promotion points based on budget, telling you that you're not really sick...

[thewolflord]

Glad to see a response here!

Ok, I admit that the "far right" classification might not be 100% correct, but some Tea Party members are pretty right wing in their personal beliefs.

And I included Obama in the blame category because TPers are actually blaming Obama for numerous things (the economic meltdown, among other things) when some of said things actually started during the Bush years. There are also those who are saying the Bush was secretly a Democrat...

And while I agree that religion should be out of politics, in the United States religion plays a significant role in how most conservative groups vote.

Finally on your little thing on illegal immigrants and "lazy people" who are unemployed. I think that illegal immigrants who are currently residing in the country should have some sort of process where they pay a fine (in the thousands) and then begin the road to citizenship with some restrictions. If they are unable to pay the fine, then an imprisonment sentence (during which they can be on the road to citizenship). And not all illegal immigrants commit crimes/are drug cartel members (although there are inevitably a few who try to smuggle drugs in/out). More here: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/mar...nt-crime-myth/

And about unemployed people being "lazy." While there might be some who simply take their unemployment benefits and sit around, a good majority of the unemployed are using the benefits to make ends meet while looking for work (of which little exists).

Now if only more people would comment on this thread...

[Ciabhán]

And while I agree that religion should be out of politics, in the United States religion plays a significant role in how most conservative groups vote.

No it doesn't. It plays a large part in what the media tell you. Religion=sensational stories so they talk about it. It's played up, a lot.

Finally on your little thing on illegal immigrants and "lazy people" who are unemployed. I think that illegal immigrants who are currently residing in the country should have some sort of process where they pay a fine (in the thousands) and then begin the road to citizenship with some restrictions. If they are unable to pay the fine, then an imprisonment sentence (during which they can be on the road to citizenship). And not all illegal immigrants commit crimes/are drug cartel members (although there are inevitably a few who try to smuggle drugs in/out). More here: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/mar...nt-crime-myth/

I never said illegal immigrants smuggle drugs. I merely said that by definition illegal immigrants are illegal, thus they are breaking the law. I emigrated to the U.S. as a teenager, got a green card, joined the Army, became a citizen, then later went back home(though that is beside the point). I didn't just show up, take a contracting job, make money tax free and send it back to my family in Belfast. I did it the way it's supposed to be done. I have no sympathy for people that don't do it properly.

And about unemployed people being "lazy." While there might be some who simply take their unemployment benefits and sit around, a good majority of the unemployed are using the benefits to make ends meet while looking for work (of which little exists).

Yes a lot of people at this time are unemployed due to lack of work. Trust me I know all about that. We used to send a huge percentage of our youth to the U.S. because there were no jobs to be had in Ireland.

When applicants outnumber the jobs to be had 6 to 1 people will be unemployed for reasons 'beyond their control', however in the good times when jobs to be had outnumber the unemployed I have no sympathy for those on the dole(the shiftless and lazy). The point being when there are more jobs than people seeking work immigrant labour, illegal or otherwise, is not viewed by the majority of the public as a bad thing. However when unemployment is already high people are going to be upset when companies hire ILLEGAL immigrants for less than minimum wage.

[Red_legged_devils]

Well you may find yourself feeling Threatened By the Tea Party, If your an old goverment establishment eliteist kind i would and could feel your pain if you felt that the tide was turning against you and the banks that run the goverment. Yes be Scared, And worried, Remembering that hitler did nouthing wrong untill he attacked poland. (As far as i Know) Had he not, he might well have been rememberd as the greatest statesmen germany ever knew, It started to recover becouse of the things his party was doing, etc etc.

Anyways, You fear change like everyone does in there life but thats life, people are demanding it, no matter how much the media spins, twists the truth about the tea party to give them a black eye and make obama and the goverment look like innocent babys having there candy taken, The fact is TP memebers are winning seats and will be in congress, Does that scare you? Does it worry you that it just Might be supported by the people? Yes we know Lost republicsns seeing the TP as a chance to get themselfs back into the ring jumped on board and started lobbying and giving speeches at TP rallys, There not the Tea party, And have offten spoken ageinst the TP like that trash sarah palin has and does. She was hopeing to ride the TP back into a job

The Point is, Where not going away. The goverment and media is acting the way it is, Becouse its scared for its political life, scared of looseing control and power. So now every talking head from radio to tv is bashing and trying to paint the TP as terrorist, racist, Nazi, communist, Baby eating Monsters, well thats not working, and infact its backfireing, The more the people see the goverments View of things and then look at the Tea party, thy see though the lies and disinformation. And even if thy do not join the TP, they support it.

The power of this goverment is falling appart, People have never not trusted the goverment this much in history, Obamas rateings are lower So low that the Dem party fears being tossed out on its head, and they are totaly desperate to shine the spotlight on someone ealse and demonize them.

I think that the war with iran will signal the end of the goverment system as we know it. Like russia in the first world war back home a peoples take over will happen. For better or for worse, the people are fed up with the goverment.

[charles the hammer]

Well you may find yourself feeling Threatened By the Tea Party, If your an old goverment establishment eliteist kind i would and could feel your pain if you felt that the tide was turning against you and the banks that run the goverment. Yes be Scared, And worried, Remembering that hitler did nouthing wrong untill he attacked poland. (As far as i Know) Had he not, he might well have been rememberd as the greatest statesmen germany ever knew, It started to recover becouse of the things his party was doing, etc etc.

Anyways, You fear change like everyone does in there life but thats life, people are demanding it, no matter how much the media spins, twists the truth about the tea party to give them a black eye and make obama and the goverment look like innocent babys having there candy taken, The fact is TP memebers are winning seats and will be in congress, Does that scare you? Does it worry you that it just Might be supported by the people? Yes we know Lost republicsns seeing the TP as a chance to get themselfs back into the ring jumped on board and started lobbying and giving speeches at TP rallys, There not the Tea party, And have offten spoken ageinst the TP like that trash sarah palin has and does. She was hopeing to ride the TP back into a job

The Point is, Where not going away. The goverment and media is acting the way it is, Becouse its scared for its political life, scared of looseing control and power. So now every talking head from radio to tv is bashing and trying to paint the TP as terrorist, racist, Nazi, communist, Baby eating Monsters, well thats not working, and infact its backfireing, The more the people see the goverments View of things and then look at the Tea party, thy see though the lies and disinformation. And even if thy do not join the TP, they support it.

The power of this goverment is falling appart, People have never not trusted the goverment this much in history, Obamas rateings are lower So low that the Dem party fears being tossed out on its head, and they are totaly desperate to shine the spotlight on someone ealse and demonize them.

I think that the war with iran will signal the end of the goverment system as we know it. Like russia in the first world war back home a peoples take over will happen. For better or for worse, the people are fed up with the goverment.

Thats crap america is more a nation of talk then actual action of revolution is not likely because when ti gets risky a large percentage would drop out.

[cottontail]

I never said illegal immigrants smuggle drugs. I merely said that by definition illegal immigrants are illegal, thus they are breaking the law. I emigrated to the U.S. as a teenager, got a green card, joined the Army, became a citizen, then later went back home(though that is beside the point). I didn't just show up, take a contracting job, make money tax free and send it back to my family in Belfast. I did it the way it's supposed to be done. I have no sympathy for people that don't do it properly.

To be fair, illegal immigrants come here because we are willing to pay them. They do some of the most menial tasks in America for barely enough money to get by. People complain all the time that illegals take up their tax dollars, but they do seem eager to hire illegal immigrants to build their fences for two dollars a week. Illegal immigrants, though somewhat making money tax free, still make far less than everyone else, because we take advantage of their labour. Because of the fact they are illegal, we can pay them far less than we would if they were legal. The fact that we have to pay more taxes to support illegal immigrants seems justified considering how much we abuse their labor.

Just to clarify, I'm not blaming my fellow Americans for the huge influx of illegal immigrants either. I'm just pointing out that the issue is far more complicated than many believe. Anyways, this has nothing to do with the thread, and I will close by saying that, though I do not like what the Tea Party stands for, comparing it to Nazi Germany is not in the slightest accurate.

[♔DeusVult!♔]

To be fair, illegal immigrants come here because we are willing to pay them. They do some of the most menial tasks in America for barely enough money to get by. People complain all the time that illegals take up their tax dollars, but they do seem eager to hire illegal immigrants to build their fences for two dollars a week. Illegal immigrants, though somewhat making money tax free, still make far less than everyone else, because we take advantage of their labour. Because of the fact they are illegal, we can pay them far less than we would if they were legal. The fact that we have to pay more taxes to support illegal immigrants seems justified considering how much we abuse their labor.

Firstly, the only reason illegal immigrants do our menial tasks is because they are taking below market wages. These are not "jobs americans won't do", they are jobs that americans won't do at that wage. These mexicans (I will call them that for ease of typing) do not have our standards of living-that is one reason they come here, and send our money back. So yeah, americans would "build fences" (ironic, that) for 2c if we would accept living in a 1 room apt with 10 other people. Not surprisingly, we are not cool with that. Mexicans also don't have to pay car, health, or life insurance. They don't pay(contribute) for school. We simply can not support ourselves at that wage, at our standard of living. Now, if there were no illegal immigrants (read: lots less), picking peaches would no longer be a $5-a-bushel job and people, namely unskilled teenagers, might actually take it. Would prices increase? yeah. But don't complain about "abusing" mexican labor while at the same time supporting a minimum wage (pretty much good for nothing except to teenagers in school). Either picking peaches is a $7.25 an hr job, or we need to reconsider this minimum wage thingy. Because that is one of the main reasons illegal immigrants are employed here. Employers can get around inflated wages.

Secondly, this is not some great big charity. We don't "owe" illegals anything. For one, they are breaking our laws coming, living, and working here. For another, they came knowing that they would make less money than an american, but more than working in mexico. They made a deal. Fugitive status for less pay but (for them) greater payoff. It does not follow that we should be punished for this situation through higher taxes. I do not feel guilty, the choice was theirs.

All that said, I absolutely think that the (average) mexican worker is harder working and more reliable than the average american counterpart. I have worked in the construction industry and seen the difference. Americans work until about 5~6. Mexicans work until it is impossible to see, then turn the lights on and keep working. Americans will work weekends, but not usually. Mexicans work any day of the week. Its night and day. Mexicans are "go go go" until you make them stop. Many americans (at this level) basically have to be whipped to get the job done in a timely manner. I would much rather have a mexican crew than a "native" one. So yeah, I get it. They are good hard workers, and mostly good people trying to better themselves and their families. But that doesn't mean that they are not breaking the law, and are not a burden on ALL public services.

Sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a thread on immigration or write an essay, but I take exception to the idea that we owe illegals anything, that they do jobs americans won't, or that we should be punished through taxes for using them.


And for the record, comparing the Tea Party to Nazis is just retarded. There is no meaningful correlation outside of the fact that both were/are political groups. Not liking a group does not make them nazis. Wait.....you don't like this group.....you think they should go away......NAZI!!! Its so obvious.

[chilon]

ILLEGAL IMMINGRANTS: They are illegal. That makes them criminals. It's a simple thing. I don't quite understand why this is hard to figure out.

The mere fact that an act is illegal is rather meaningless.

These arguments usually sound like you believe every single "criminal act" is equally repulsive and vile.

People that drive over the speed limit are committing an illegal act. That makes them CRIMINALS! People that jaywalk are committing an illegal act and are thus criminals!

Are you a crusader against every criminal that speeds over the limit and jaywalks?

[Big War Bird]

[Xanthippus of Sparta]

Not one to defend the Tea Party, ever....but....

This.

[magickyleo101]

I think the main similarity between the Tea Party people and the Nazis is that both are crazy and bad for America. The main difference is that the Tea Party people lack a mustached leader.

[Othniel]

Good grief, people. Try as we might, the left is just going to paint us as nazis and racists, the typical attack. In actuality, we're trying to pull our country back from the cliff of runaway spending and debt. Yes it's happened under more than one president, but not to such a drastic degree. To compare the tea partiers with nazis is juvenile and offensive. Not to mention that the nazis were socialists and the tea partiers are quite the opposite, but don't let that trip you up.

[LegionnaireX]

Could you imagine if Obama's spending tripled the national debt? Honest, just try to imagine the fit these Tea Party folks would throw if Obama did the exact same thing their hero Reagan did.

He is tripling the debt. Only this time its a much bigger ing deal, as the administration is fond of saying. Try again.

And over the past 30 years, instead of preparing for this huge demographic problem that we've foreseen for a long time, these Reagan Revolutionaries who now call themselves "Tea Party Patriots" were lobbying for tax cuts and deficit spending.

Now that a Democrat is in office, they're trying to wash that taint off themselves with this tacky new "Tea Party" label, and blaming Obama for the fact that a bunch of 65-year-olds are now claiming the benefits they refused to fund for the past 30 years.

If you think taxation is the problem with Medicare and Social Security, you are deeply confused. The system is unsustainable because of a variety of factors:

1. People are living longer, thus collecting a lot longer
2. There are now much fewer workers paying into the system than there are recipients of benefits
3. The government has been intentionally stealing from the "trust fund" for decades.

These problems don't have anything to do with Dems or the GOP, they're just problems that need to be dealt with.

You can whine about hypocrisy all you want, but I'm glad that eventually a large number of Americans understand the dangers the country faces, and as far as we can tell, Obama isn't doing anything to alleviate the problem.

FYI, Bush doesn't get a lot of love from the Tea Party either.

[dontazemebro]

I have highlighted some common Tea Party Like elements for easy of reading.





The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party(from the German pronunciation of Nationalsozialist[5]), was a political party in Germany between 1919 and 1945. It was known as the German Workers' Party (DAP) prior to a change of name in 1920.
The party's last leader, Adolf Hitler, was appointed Chancellor of Germany by president Paul von Hindenburg in 1933. Hitler rapidly established a totalitarian regime[6][7][8][9] known as the Third Reich.
Nazi ideology stressed the failures of communism, liberalism, and democracy, supported the "racial purity of the German people" and that of other Northwestern Europeans, and claimed itself as the protector of Germany from Jewish influence and corruption. The Nazis persecuted those they perceived as either race enemies or Lebensunwertes Leben, that is "life unworthy of living". This included Jews, Slavs, Roma, and so-called "Mischlinge" along with Communists, homosexuals, the mentally and physically disabled, and others. The persecution reached its climax when the party and the German state which it controlled organized the systematic murder of approximately six million Jews and six million other people from the other targeted groups, in what has become known as the Holocaust. Hitler's desire to build a German empire through expansionist policies led to the outbreak of World War II in Europe.


Now there are some key differences, Tea Party as far as we know are for de-centralization of government. They are capitalist where as the Nazi were more socialist. But I do think the over all message is similar. Blame Liberalism, blame the minorities, blame the current government, bad economy, ultra nationalist populism...

[mattgoby]

I really don't like the tea party from an outsiders view, and whilst they are right wing lunatics, they aren't quite Nazis....

[Phier]

I think the main similarity between the Tea Party people and the Nazis is that both are crazy and bad for America. The main difference is that the Tea Party people lack a mustached leader.

Undoubtedly they will get in the way of your Cheddar.

[Bleda]

Undoubtedly they will get in the way of your Cheddar.

I'm glad someone is finally getting in the way of that ideology.

[Pickle_mole]

I think the main similarity between the Tea Party people and the Nazis is that both are crazy and bad for America. The main difference is that the Tea Party people lack a mustached leader.

Stoopid redneck folk trying to "save" america by keeping its budget in balance and giving local governments more right to govern then the fed. Trying to get government closer to the people, the bigots!

[Col. Tartleton]

I think the main similarity between the Tea Party people and the Nazis is that both are crazy and bad for America. The main difference is that the Tea Party people lack a mustached leader.

I'd vote for him. It'd be like Ron Paul in Tom Selleck's body. Or realistically just Tom Selleck since Tom Selleck is also a Libertarian leaning independent thinker.