What came first, the chicken or the Egg?

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...chers_say.html
It doesn't really make sense since for the chicken to have come before the egg as species prior to the evolution of chickens laid eggs, the question doesn't specify that it is a chicken egg (But the first chicken egg had to have been laid by a non-chicken anyway) What do you all think? Is this valid proof or idealist disconnect from reality?

[Mugg]

This is a question that has billion answers....scientifically speaking it had to be the egg that was first...from what would the chicken grow and develop if not from an egg? Only if chickens, at the first stage of evolution, were mammals borned from it's mother's histeria...
And then, later, development from eggs because of changes in nature's environment and animals' surviving, breeding...There were, and there are mutations and selections.....So development of an egg-like breeding was, probably, natural selection needed to evolute and survive...

[Rolanbek]

Chicken. No parent no young. The mechanism may change from the earliest eras of asexual reproduction and simple replication, through to the creation of a (eventually) hard shelled chicken egg, but you always needs a parent, even when that parent was just some substrate in a tidal pool.

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

Chicken. No parent no young. The mechanism may change from the earliest eras of asexual reproduction and simple replication, through to the creation of a (eventually) hard shelled chicken egg, but you always needs a parent, even when that parent was just some substrate in a tidal pool.

But it stands to reason that the first chicken egg was laid by a non-chicken, and so the egg came first.

[Boer]

I'd say it depends on how "egg" and "chicken" are defined. Does the egg and chicken need to be completely identical to modern ones, or do the forerunners of modern chickens and their eggs still count?

Just as the first chicken egg could have come from a not-quite-chicken, the first chicken could have come from a not-quite-a-chicken-egg. They are basing their claim solely on one protein found in modern chicken eggs which must not be found in other eggs, since only chickens can make that protein. So the first chicken could have come from an egg, just a slightly different egg than the modern chicken egg.

[0N3]

The first chicken came either from an egg or a vagina. Since chickens lay egg most likely it came from a species that laid eggs. The real question (if it is any) is what chickens evolved from...

[Mugg]

you are just repeating what i said.

[0N3]

you are just repeating what i said.

[Mugg]

never mind...sorry

[Himster]

A non-chicken laid a chicken egg, it's obvious and I read it from another post. lol

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

Chickens are thought to be hybrids of various species of bird, so one doesn't even have to believe in evolution to realize that the egg came first.

[Garbarsardar]

If we assume there has to be a first chicken, it is necessary that it came from the egg of a non-chicken. So obviously the Chicken came first. I presume that by "egg" we mean "chicken's egg".

[Rolanbek]

Chickens are thought to be hybrids of various species of bird, so one doesn't even have to believe in evolution to realize that the egg came first.

An Egg laid by a non-chicken is a non-chicken egg as in the 'the egg of a non-chicken'. A Chicken must emerge from an egg of a non-chicken.(the Prime Chicken.... mmm... Chicken).

A birds egg takes on the properties of the parent, while the material in it takes on the properties of both. If the egg contain properties other than that of a chicken egg, it must be a non-chicken egg, but the material in the egg may be chicken.

so: chicken

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[Elfdude]

A chicken is a domesticated fowl nothing more. Birds are evolved from reptiles who laid eggs first so if we want to define the egg as any old egg obviously the egg came first. However if we progress with the assumption that the egg is a chicken's egg. The 'first' true chicken would be a mutation from it's precursor species to a point where it could reproduce with a modern chicken. Thus the egg would be from this prechicken and thus be a prechicken egg the next generation being the first chickens to actually produce chicken's eggs.

[Garbarsardar]

Let no one mention the word omelet in his presence.

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ONCE WERE WARRIORS

[Neoton]

It is the chicken! The scientists discovered some kind of that only the hеn has(at least that's what they said on the news ).

[Vizsla]

If you stop thinking of chickens and eggs as ends in themselves and start thinking of them as temporary entities used by genes to achieve immortality then there is no problem.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Evolution...on-chicken.htm

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The first eggs appeared long before the first chickens. They didn't contain chickens, of course. But they contained the animals whose descendants would eventually become chickens.

The very first "eggs" were produced by ancient invertebrates that broadcast their gametes into the open ocean where sperm and egg fused to become a zygote (fertilized egg). Later evolution produced species that secreted a protective shell around the zygote, and this little capsule, as simple as it was, could still be considered an egg.

For the sake of argument, though, let's consider only the *amniotic*egg, which is unique to vertebrates (such as chickens). It contains a complex system of internal membranes that not only hold fluid to keep the embryo moist and cushioned, but also to collect its waste and hold its nourishment (yolk). The mammalian placental system is nothing more than a modified amniotic egg that is retained internally, lacks a shell, and has modified membranes. You can find a diagram and more information about the amniotic egg here:

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/vertebr...s/amniota.html

The very first organisms that produced an amniotic egg were terrestrial, reptile-like animals that didn't have feathers. But one branch of this lineage did evolve and give rise to the feathered reptiles we now know as birds. This change resulted from various forces, including natural selection, genetic drift (evolutionary change due to random chance and small population size) and chance mutations that proved beneficial to the individuals that inherited them. The first, ancestral "birds" were pretty much small, feathered dinosaurs. They laid amniotic eggs, but they weren't chickens. Some of their descendants evolved into today's chickens.

So if you want to take the "chicken or egg" question literally, then the egg evolved long before there were any chickens. It was only much later that the first "chicken" popped out of that amniotic egg that had given rise to many other species before.

[Godfrey I of Leuven]

Still convinced it's the egg

[Helm]

It was the egg because the the first chicken hatched from an egg that was not laid by a chicken. The very first chicken was a genetic mutation.

[Mugg]

It was the egg because the the first chicken hatched from an egg that was not laid by a chicken. The very first chicken was a genetic mutation.

yeah....