Modification question for the community

[alreadyded]

I wanted this question to get some spotlight, so I made a new thread instead of posting it inside my mod thread, which nobody bothers to read most likely.

Anyway, at the gap between Minas Morgul and Cirith Ungol I wish to either stop or slow down Mordor from using that pass (making them use the Black Gate primarily, or entirely if necessary). Should I place Shelob in the pass and block it, or make a cleft off of the road? I want to make Shelob nuetral to Mordor, so they shouldn't attack her, but if I put her off of the road will her zone of control still slow them down in the pass? Any better ideas?

[glassakias]

first off, many people read your threαd because it is really interesting and your work is very good. i actually read the "yo mama" comment in the middle of your op, i just didnt bother to mention it.


now, are you familiar with geomod? i think what should be done is flatten a mountain tile in cirith ungol, and put shelob there. that way, she will not totally block the way but she will make armies in her zone of control move slower. also, if you dont want mordor to attack her, you should make a separate shelob faction and make it allied to mordor, so the alliance script blocks her from being attacked. finally, you should give her a trait that eliminates her movement points, so that you dont have her going around and leaving cirith ungol

[alreadyded]

But if they are allied will Mordor still be slowed down by her zone of control? And do you think that will make most of their armies use the Black Gate route?

[glassakias]

But if they are allied will Mordor still be slowed down by her zone of control?

if you make them allied but without military access

[Louis Lux]

Why do you want them to use the black gate? It's makes more sense that Mordor uses the Cirith ungol passage like in the book and movie, Aragorn attacked the black gate because it was closer to barad dur and mount doom so it would draw the dark forces of Mordor.

PS: Your thread has plenty of views and posts for an unreleased mod.

[alreadyded]

I would still like it to be usable, but I don't want Mordor to spam all of their armies through that pass, I believe it will improve the campaign game in a few ways. And realistically they shouldn't be able to move all their armies through there, at least not as quickly as they do, because it is very narrow and rough terrain. In the book and movie Mordor amassed their forces in Minas Morgul and marched out from there. I can't remember the book saying anywhere that Mordor used this passage to move entire armies, or that they even could. No map I have ever seen shows a road going through, and it certainly isn't flat. They would have to march over multiple huge mountains, a mountain passage would be brutal with all that gear and such a long column (think of all the traffic!). I've done that crap many a time, and it took a long time and a lot out of me, and I am way stronger than any orc scum!

I always assumed the TATW team put that passage their so that Mordor would focus on Gondor.

[Beorn]

u can put Shelob at the side of the passage, so as the armies to be forced to "stop" at they appearing brown area for 1 turn.
And Aragorn attacked the Black Gate because
i)He wanted to draw Mordor's attention away from Frodo, who had choosen the Cirith Ungol path
ii)he didn't dare to come close to Morgul with his men, as its sorcery affected men,'s hearts and logic.

In the Book, no forces of Mordor passed from Cirith Ungol; U messed then with the Forces of Morgul

[glassakias]

u can put Shelob at the side of the passage, so as the armies to be forced to "stop" at they appearing brown area for 1 turn.

the matter with the current map is, one army totally blocks the passage. you can position her lower though, next to Minas Morgul. i think there is space for more than one armies there. another idea is to make some armies randomly dissapear when near to shelob via scripts, suppossedly devoured. however this kind of script must be hard and time-consuming to make

[alreadyded]

Will not Mordor be able to pass right through Shelob's zone of control if they are allied? I still want Mordor to own all the regions they should, I just want to slow them down from spamming through that pass.

I don't have any experience with scripts in this game, not much experience in modding this game at all seeing as I never really wanted to before. So that "devour" script would probably be way to difficult for me to implement without a lot of time and effort... or help. So for now I just want to focus on where to put her to achieve the best results with Mordor.

[glassakias]

that's what i am trying to say. they will still be affected by her zone of control if they are allied but have no military access

[alreadyded]

No military access to what? The region? It is Mordor's region, I just want to place one small rebel unit with Shelob as the general in the way, not give her the region, though it is not completely implausible seeing as she did kind of control the area.

Or are you saying Shelob will not have military access?

[Hero of the West]

just make her a mordor unit with zero movement but in a way that shelob is alwasy blocking the road for the enemies of mordor

[alreadyded]

I want her to block the road for Mordor too! Mordor armies should not be spamming through that pass lore-istically () or realistically IMO. And I think it could improve the gameplay if they don't.

[Hero of the West]

then make her a rebel with zero movement for maximum lore

[alreadyded]

Yes I know that already, the control zone movement is what I need to know. If they are allied can't Mordor just walk through her zone of control unhindered?

[old_dude]

If they are allied can't Mordor just walk through her zone of control unhindered?

Nope. Allied armies without military access must respect each others zoc. If the two factions in question have military access to each other along with the alliance then they could just walk past disregarding zocs

[Hero of the West]

rebels cant allie only be bribed

[glassakias]

lets set this right: You make one "rebel" faction in which Shelob is included. Then, you take care this faction is allied to Mordor, so that they dont attack each other. But you do not add the military access in their diplomatic relationships, so that each army of the "rebel" factions has a zone of control that blocks Mordor for a couple of turns and vice versa.

[alreadyded]

Alright, thanks for the info, I couldn't remember this stuff for the life of me it has been so long. This thread can be deleted.

[glassakias]

i'd say merged with your original thread