Greco-Turkish Crisis

[Manuel I Komnenos]

A Turkish research ship named (I think) ''Piri Reis'' is conducting an oil survey in Greek/Cyprus territorial waters at the moment..

This is the area, the Turkish ship will search for oil, and this area belongs to the Greek/Cypriot Economic Zone..


Ships of the Hellenic Navy are already going to Rhodes, to closely monitor the moves of the Turkish ship..

The decision of Turkey comes at a time when the Greek government has started procedures for oil search in the Aegean and Ionian sea..


At the same moment 6 Turkish F-16's violated the FIR Athens, in the northern Aegean Sea and were intercepted (without firing) by 4 Greek Mirage 2000..

[hellheaven1987]

I don't mind Greece and Turkey settle their little problem of history by blood now.

[cenkiss]

Blood for blood god,right?

[HansDuet]

Rrrrround one.

Fight!

[Manuel I Komnenos]

No, there won't be a war between Greece and Turkey, but the attitude of Turkey isn't going to get them into the EU anytime soon..

[hellheaven1987]

No, there won't be a war between Greece and Turkey, but the attitude of Turkey isn't going to get them into the EU anytime soon..

Is Turkey that desperate to join EU? My current impression is that Turkey does not really mind about it that much.

Not to mention how bad shape Greece is now, which probably discourage Turkey more to join EU now.

Blood for blood god,right?

Ya, spill blood for Khorne!!!

[Razor]

No, there won't be a war between Greece and Turkey, but the attitude of Turkey isn't going to get them into the EU anytime soon..

Actually I highly doubt that I'll live to see Turkey join the EU if they will ever be joining in the first place...

[PointOfViewGun]

Actually I highly doubt that I'll live to see Turkey join the EU if they will ever be joining in the first place...

You can also be pretty sure that when Turkey fulfills every single criteria for membership, it will not join the union.

[Razor]

You can also be pretty sure that when Turkey fulfills every single criteria for membership, it will not join the union.

Agreed.

[Holger Danske]

No, there won't be a war between Greece and Turkey, but the attitude of Turkey isn't going to get them into the EU anytime soon..

And Greece ability to run a reliable economy should give them the red card out of the Union.

[Ozzmosis]

Cool! I can see where I am right now on that map!
(Oh crap!...)

[removeduser_487563287433]

I don't think it's anything to worry about. Generally speaking Greek and Turkish relations have only been getting closer, despite what nationalists may think. Yes, there's a dispute over sea borders, and yes both sides feel they need to display a military presence in what they understand is their territory, but it's just bravado. You should sit down and settle it, really.

[Remember1843]

I don't think it's anything to worry about. Generally speaking Greek and Turkish relations have only been getting closer, despite what nationalists may think. Yes, there's a dispute over sea borders, and yes both sides feel they need to display a military presence in what they understand is their territory, but it's just bravado. You should sit down and settle it, really.

a bravado,yes,but you can't be sure at all when it's serious or not, before it's too late.
The outcome?more money for weapons when you need them most for the economy.
My impression is that Turks use every oportunity to gain any advantage they can uppon their neighbours and not only for Greece.
Turkey was an empire once and has not deafeted yet like Germany at WW1&2
Turkey cannot participate in any club such as E.U unless they are like France and Germany who decide for the most important E.U issues
I believe that Turkey's attitude is not just a greek problem
Thanks to the Anti-israeli and philo-Iranian politics that Turkey follows , is a problem for all western community and for the Arabs as well
As a greek i'm not worried for territory losses.We can intercept them at the air ,sea and land as we do for decades,not because we are superior (ok maybe a little bit ) but because we have the geografical advantage that favour us in a defencive war
My opinion is that they are testing us to see our reactions.Business as usual...
(there are also rumours for oil in the aegean)
How nice it would be if we had neighbours like France or Sweeden or Swiss
But we don't and we have to see such cases more carefully before we make a final conclusion.

[Their Law]

a bravado,yes,but you can't be sure at all when it's serious or not, before it's too late.

Generally it's incredibly obvious when a nation is gearing up for a large scale war. They'd be massing of divisions and a sudden surge of Pro-War rhetoric coming from the government in order to try and swing the populace. Turkey has shown no sign of that, and it would be foolish in the extreme to even consider Turkey attacking Greece in the near future. For one Greece is an EU member, resulting in aggression against the Entire EU. This is further compounded by the fact allot of EU money is invested in Greece and Germany in particular would not be happy about seeing that money going to waste.

My impression is that Turks use every oportunity to gain any advantage they can uppon their neighbours and not only for Greece.

That's just international politics. It's not Unique to Turkey, Russia still flies long range bombers into UK airspace for no other reason than it can.

Turkey was an empire once and has not deafeted yet like Germany at WW1&2

Wrong the Ottomans were an empire, and they were soundly defeated in WW1 so much so that it fractured, Turkey is a successor state to the Ottomans and has never been an Empire.

Turkey cannot participate in any club such as E.U unless they are like France and Germany who decide for the most important E.U issues

Turkey's influence in the EU would be equal to it's economic weight and how it behaves towards human rights issues. Both of which are not major threats to the current German-French hegemony.

I believe that Turkey's attitude is not just a greek problem
Thanks to the Anti-israeli and philo-Iranian politics that Turkey follows , is a problem for all western community and for the Arabs as well

Of course not. The anti-Israel policy is justified in light of recent events. And Turkey's relationship with Iran is not one that would be called close or even friendly. Iranian leadership has recognized that Turkey is the rising star in the region and is trying to cosy up to Turkey.

As a greek i'm not worried for territory losses.We can intercept them at the air ,sea and land as we do for decades,not because we are superior (ok maybe a little bit ) but because we have the geografical advantage that favour us in a defencive war

I'd be far more worried of the effect of a war on Greece's economy. You may come out of a war territorially intact but likely be economically ruined (well more ruined).

My opinion is that they are testing us to see our reactions.Business as usual...
(there are also rumours for oil in the aegean)

Pretty much, both countries have been doing this since they existed.

How nice it would be if we had neighbours like France or Sweeden or Swiss
But we don't and we have to see such cases more carefully before we make a final conclusion.

Ha, historically you would not want to border France or Sweden if you were Greece. The Swiss were also famed for there professional soldiers.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

There are tensions between Greece and Turkey over sea-air borders but sometimes things get worse..
It's not difficult for one small crisis to get bigger.. The previous years, a Greek Mirage accidentally shot down a Turkish F-16 while it was intercepting it, and in another interception one Greek and one Turkish F-16 crashed in the air, with the Greek pilot being killed..

You should also see this. It was the biggest crisis after Cyprus, between the two nations and Greece went very close to mobilize its army..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imia/Kardak

[hellheaven1987]

Yes, but border dispute is not enough for a total war to be happened, unlike what happened in early 20th Century.

I don't believe Greek government, if still has its sanity remain, would do something serious now. However, crisis always give insane leaders some good chance to rise up, and if Greek government does fall into the control of such insanity, I cannot guarantee some Greeks may find raiding Asia Minor, like their ancestors did in past, is an amused way to solve the current economical difficulties.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

Yes, but border dispute is not enough for a total war to be happened, unlike what happened in early 20th Century.

I don't believe Greek government, if still has its sanity remain, would do something serious now. However, crisis always give insane leaders some good chance to rise up, and if Greek government does fall into the control of such insanity, I cannot guarantee some Greeks may find raiding Asia Minor, like their ancestors did in past, is an amused way to solve the current economical difficulties.

So what do you mean? If Turkey make even heavier violations such as that of the Imia islands, where Turkish commandos were landed in those Greek islands, Greece should give up? I assume we didn't pay for 200 F-16's to keep them in the airfields.. Greece has always kept a low profile and of course Greece does not want any land from Turkey, Turkey is the one that violates Greece's borders..
And if something happens the Hellenic Army is here to defend the country.. You shall not forget that when we pawned the Italians back in the WW2 the economic situation in Greece was much worse..

[Tiberios]

So, are the Greeks going to retake Constantinople or what?

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

And if something happens the Hellenic Army is here to defend the country.. You shall not forget that when we pawned the Italians back in the WW2 the economic situation in Greece was much worse..

Every one knows how well Italian army performed at WW2. They almost retook all Romans territory only to be stopped by Greece.

Better look at this and not compare Turkey with Italy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-T...2%80%931922%29

[Manuel I Komnenos]

Every one knows how well Italian army performed at WW2. They almost retook all Romans territory only to be stopped by Greece.

Better look at this and not compare Turkey with Italy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-T...2%80%931922%29

hahaha.. yeah.. I know that.. We kicked your ass until Italy, France, Britain and the Soviet Union started giving you money and equipment.. Please, go and say your nationalistic crap to people who haven't read history yet..