Modding - Why does everyone suck up to the big ones?

It seems that most people in ETW and NTW suck up to the bigger mods, be it hosted, an overhaul (although that's understandable, especially if it goes to a different time period) or just a really large "minor" mod. People seem to make side mods for these, videos and constantly advertise the mod, even if they didn't make it themselves.
As a minor modder, I ask this, "Why aren't my little mods getting any love?"

Large mods have the creators putting in more time/effort than the smaller mods. Its understandable that people respect this.
Large mods usualy give people more of a thrill/experience/fun than the smaller mods.
With the larger mods comes a larger community in general, hence people will be more inclined to create submods/videos for this community.


Now with this in mind ask yourself is the question "Why large mods get more views/respect than small mods" a valid question?

If your in the business of modding for love and attention... your doing it for all the wrong reasons mate.

little mods, sometimes give you more trouble than anything, to add several little mods creates a great level of instability and a even greater chance of incompatibility.

and as usual bigger mods will inevitably draw more attention

Good answers guys..they are right if you only mod to get fame and glory then stop wasting your time.

Originally Posted by tylerman29

Good answers guys..they are right if you only mod to get fame and glory then stop wasting your time.

Or money. That's what's happened with The Sims 2. A lot of modders who went to paysites lost the respect of their community followers very quickly.

I laugh sometimes at the e-drama that exists in the world.

But I still find it ironic Bart07's unit mod has many more fans than mine even though we basicly do the same exact thing.

Originally Posted by ♔EmperorBatman999♔

But I still find it ironic Bart07's unit mod has many more fans than mine even though we basicly do the same exact thing.

Batman old bean - Maybe you are mistaking 'noisy' fans for 'more' fans. There are lots more folks who play your mods, are extremely grateful (and use parts of them in their own I am sure) than make a lot of fuss and ruckus on these forums old chap. Don't worry - we appreciate all you do and hope you continue for a long time yet!

Originally Posted by ♔EmperorBatman999♔

But I still find it ironic Bart07's unit mod has many more fans than mine even though we basicly do the same exact thing.

Emperor, I saw 3 or 4 threads where you criticize the Bar07mod. It's no need. Bar07mod was, at the beginning a little mod with only some new french units. Working and working, Bart rized his mod to 171 units and some changes for campaign and became to be known and used by more people. All of that is the result of a huge work, more than 10 hours of work per day often for Bart, a big work of research to try to be the most accurate possible (made by Bart, me and Beorix, even if we expect as the others mods some mesh files tools for some units like Bavarians). Most of our units are in the 1809-1815 period and mostly between 1812-1815.

You don't need to make a competition with us, our mods are differents, that's all. Georider's units are fantastics too, will a high level of details, that's why a lot of people use them. Hard work make the mods used or not. As someone said, you don't do mods to be famous but just because you want to play with it.

I never saw other mods as competition, and we do indeed need to stay together to stop CA. But I just couldn't help thinking that I'm a lousy modder when people like Georider have made much more impressive works by using their reskinning talents and things like that. As a result, to me I thought people would rather make videos and AAR's featuring those mods' units over mine.
I was never attracted to large mods like Bart's anyway because they're too large for me. I began to not like ETW's AUM even when it was getting too big.
Thanks you guys, I really appreciate the support.

Originally Posted by ♔EmperorBatman999♔

I never saw other mods as competition, and we do indeed need to stay together to stop CA. But I just couldn't help thinking that I'm a lousy modder when people like Georider have made much more impressive works by using their reskinning talents and things like that. As a result, to me I thought people would rather make videos and AAR's featuring those mods' units over mine.
I was never attracted to large mods like Bart's anyway because they're too large for me. I began to not like ETW's AUM even when it was getting too big.
Thanks you guys, I really appreciate the support.

I think if somebody, like Erasmus, make a mesh convertor, you could create your own specific units: the problem actually is that we can only do retexturing now, it's difficult to distinguish ourselves between the units modders. I think a lot of people appreciated your foreign troops mod, I downloaded it myself,you have just to continue it. It's very rare that a mod become very wellknown as soon as it is released.

Originally Posted by panzerschreck

I think if somebody, like Erasmus, make a mesh convertor, you could create your own specific units: the problem actually is that we can only do retexturing now, it's difficult to distinguish ourselves between the units modders. I think a lot of people appreciated your foreign troops mod, I downloaded it myself,you have just to continue it. It's very rare that a mod become very wellknown as soon as it is released.

Too bad I don't have any modelling skills.

@♔EmperorBatman999♔

I just downloaded your mod "Foreign Legions" which seems quite interesting.
Your screenshots presentation units are very nice.
I could also make a video with your mod later.

There are probably many people who play with your mod but they do not necessarily tell on the forums.
We're all with you !

Well, actually your mod is the only mod I'm using by now... and other overhauls will be ruin by CA's new patches.

I think people also have incentive to promote their favorite mods as more people playing = more development = better gameplay.

Well modders must remember, whether you make a major mod or a minor mod, we are all in this together, if you see modding as competitive (which you are if your wondering why the bigger mods are more popular) then you shouldn't be modding. I'm not taking a shot at anyone, just saying we should not be worrying which mod seems to be more popular (yer I know I sound hipercritical because I created the Most Popular Mod poll, but that poll is for fun ) but really, we should be working together to beat the evil CA

Speaking from experiance (not from TW games, per see, but from modding Close Combat, IL-2, etc.) one makes a mod or an add-on because one has a change they want to make to the game so that it plays the way they desire. You release it to the general public because you want to share, and/or because you need extra help to complete the project, but that's a secondary action. Personally, a couple of my favorite mods I made were never shared simply because it never seemed there was much call, and they mainly changed things to suit my own purposes. One should not require widespread public acclaim to validate one's modding efforts.

People will always gravitate to the larger mods because to a new user who has come to TWC just for the mods- the bigger names like Darth Vader, etc. will seem like gods to them. They won't pay attention to the smaller mods because of lack of PR (everyone has that DMUC sig, and the same happened with TROM with ETW) and they are..smaller. Furthermore, every mod takes effort, even the smaller ones- especially for ETW and NTW which are hell to mod. You have to unpack, then dick around with db tables, then repack and use a mod manager, I'm talking out of my ass because I don't know how to mod ETW but read a lot of tutorials on it, then parse them into a .loc file. Even for smaller mods. I tip my hat to all modders everywhere. What the smaller mods basically need is just a bit more advertising.

Which big ones do you mean? If you're talking specifically, I don't really care about mods that add lots of units because I don't agree that adding more of the same units is actually an improvement.

If you're talking generally, larger mods tend to offer more, and more important, changes to the game than smaller mods, so it's quite natural that people gravitate towards them. Add to this that it's a self-supporting system: Larger mods get more publicity and therefore get more new players - which means they get more publicity... see where I'm getting? Especially for people who don't have time to try all mods, it's usually a good idea to choose a mod that proves to be enjoyed by many players, because the likelihood that it's actually good is larger than for an unknown mod.

Did you ever consider joining a larger team yourself rather than working on your own mod in order to have a larger combined impact on the game? To be honest I don't get why everyone wants to release their very own mod without doing something substantially different than what's already there, anyways.

That is a good idea, just I prefer doing smaller mods because of the fact they're small and I'm in control of them. So that means I choose content that I would like to add as opposed to a larger mod that mixes stuff I want with stuff I don't.

Originally Posted by ♔EmperorBatman999♔

That is a good idea, just I prefer doing smaller mods because of the fact they're small and I'm in control of them. So that means I choose content that I would like to add as opposed to a larger mod that mixes stuff I want with stuff I don't.

Alright, but then why do you complain that other mods which potentially have more members to contribute outshine yours? It's the price you pay for being in control, see? I had a small campaign mod for ETW for that reason, too, and it wasn't very much played. I then decided to join efforts with A Proper Empire. It's often possible to find some co-workers that won't try to change your ideas too much (not that changing your ideas is always bad, mind)