Coalition campaigns are TERRIBLE

After playing 10x the French campaign, I went back to playing Austria and Prussia.

I tried both 2-3 times each.

I'm sorry, but these coalition campaigns are terrible. Either France emerges too late (or never) or it just becomes a free-for-all slugfest (I've had Kutuzov's russian army sack Vienna TWICE).

To be honest, it seems this game is only cool when you play as France. Hell, in the coalitions campaign, I caught Napoleon walking around with 3-4 units...hardly 'Napoleonic' warfare

Why didn't CA make France campaign AI more like the Mongolian hordes in MTW2.

I remember when those guys showed up, they each were menacing generals with FULL super stacks and went on a REAL rampage.

Anyone else agree? Any mods to recommend me to have a more 'full' coalition campaign???

I've seen anything from Napoleon sitting around doing nothing to him conquering the whole of Europe except for GB.

Is it that varied?

Why haven't I seen anything like this???

Are you using a specific mod?

No, pure vanilla. In my current Russian campaign Nappy hasn't gotten farther then central Germany but here is an example of him going crazy:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=337556

Coalition campaigns are extremely boring in normal difficulties. I suggest Hard for Austrians and Prussians and Very Hard for Russia and GB.

As much as i'm for sandboxy games and non-linearity etc. i do wish they'd thrown in a lot more scripting to Napoleon. A lot of the inconsistencies make for a less challenging or engaging game and can often make it feel very amatuerish.

I can't be bothered going into specifics but the Italian and Egyptian campaigns especially would have benefited from a lot less varibles imo.

Originally Posted by Reiver

As much as i'm for sandboxy games and non-linearity etc. i do wish they'd thrown in a lot more scripting to Napoleon. A lot of the inconsistencies make for a less challenging or engaging game and can often make it feel very amatuerish.

I can't be bothered going into specifics but the Italian and Egyptian campaigns especially would have benefited from a lot less varibles imo.

Actually i believe the problems come from too little sandbox and too much linearity!! I think if the game had been approached from a much more sandbox standpoint it would have been much more fun in single player and multiplayer...

I made it a my minimum requirement to play H/H or VH/H campaigns...so my original post was under those circumstances.

I agree with the scripting. I think the Mongol invasion in MTW2 was scripted (at least more) and, to be honest, I never felt like I had the same battles. If they had kept the 'range' of the scripting not so narrow (so basically Napoleon would make his way with concentration towards Moscow and taking Berlin and Vienna in the meantime, it would have been nice).

It's not that I don't like playing coalition countries, but the fact that napoleon never attacked in concentration and the wars that break out between allies is just 'off-putting'.

I'll look around. I remember thorogoros had something about 'an aggressive France' mod---though, I don't know if he updated it after the patch though...

Originally Posted by Erkli Pasha

Why didn't CA make France campaign AI more like the Mongolian hordes in MTW2.

Mongols confused me in my Venice campaign (the only one I ever really got into). They took Aleppo off me (I had the entire Levant under my control), then just sat their. I assassinated most of their generals, but they never left the province's borders. They refused to make peace with me, too. I assume they were meant to be a bit more aggressive?

in m2tw the mongols would come in and take up half the map. then a couple years later the timurids would come and declare war on the mongols and take everything they own and then just stop there. another time ive hadthe mongols come in from bagdad and for their normal thing while the timurids came up by kiev and just sat there without attacking anyone for the whole game, they never got a capital either

Yeah, same with the Huns in Rome:BI.
Sometimes your armies will heroically make a stand, repulsing wave after wave without a moment's pause, and sometimes they will just sit there and rot by the river passing, begging that lazy array of full-starred full-stacked blockheads to make a move.

Originally Posted by Erkli Pasha

After playing 10x the French campaign, I went back to playing Austria and Prussia.

I tried both 2-3 times each.

I'm sorry, but these coalition campaigns are terrible. Either France emerges too late (or never) or it just becomes a free-for-all slugfest (I've had Kutuzov's russian army sack Vienna TWICE).

To be honest, it seems this game is only cool when you play as France. Hell, in the coalitions campaign, I caught Napoleon walking around with 3-4 units...hardly 'Napoleonic' warfare

Why didn't CA make France campaign AI more like the Mongolian hordes in MTW2.

I remember when those guys showed up, they each were menacing generals with FULL super stacks and went on a REAL rampage.

Anyone else agree? Any mods to recommend me to have a more 'full' coalition campaign???

I was scared everytime they emerged takes forever to deafeat them and you have to reform your WHOLE army pretty much to face Horse Archers and Lancers (no pikemen dont work the horse archers just pick them off)
but your right about the France thing What you have to do is wait for France to take Alot of land and then attack them thats the closest you can pretty much get

Right. I mean, I've read tons of books from Napoleon's age and one thing that seems to be missing in this game is how much of an existential concern the 'fire of revolution' and France's hegemony was to the 'Coalition' countries.

The closest thing would be to give France all the starting techs and nerf it conduct extremely aggressive bartering or face the consequence of war (literally unleashing the power of the reformed French armies). Even on VH/VH this seems lacking and a declaration of war from France doesn't scare me as it should (the way the Mongols creeped me out in MTWII).

What's worse is that 'coalitions' don't really exist, now, do they? On VH/VH the 'coalitions' collapse and Russia wars Austria and etc. To be honest, I went back to playing ETW. I think NTW missed the point of the era.

they dont even work much together Russia is the only one who at least trys to fight France as a ally by reinforcing the Austrian front the rest do their own things

and its mega easy to defeat france just get a ship go around the front land it near normandie or Marseille and take all the land they left un-guarded
CAI was only aggressive toward me respectfully when I turtled and did nothing as Britain on the coast it took 50 turns 50 ing turns for them to react with a army so
A:France needs more bonuses like If you try to attack Fance's homeland the civilian defense is automatically Line Infrantry
B:CAI has a slow react time

Spain scared me more in Empire TW than France in Napoleon TW

Originally Posted by Erkli Pasha

Hell, in the coalitions campaign, I caught Napoleon walking around with 3-4 units...hardly 'Napoleonic' warfare

did you go straight into attacking him?

I had a campaign as Austria where Napoleon took TWO units, then camped on one of my farms, cutting off the income, but keeping Nappy completely inactive. Needless to say, I let him play at farmer the rest of the campaign, and he never moved. I guess the stress of being the Emperor got to him. It was an 1800 version of the old television show "Green Acres". I suppose Josephine was his Lisa, with Talleyrand as Mr. Haney.