Maybe the USA needs a dictator?

[God of War,]

To restore virtue, family values, and national honor!
Would the U.S.A. be better under a Napoleon? An Augustus?
Discuss

[hellheaven1987]

US would be better under Chaos' control.

[xcorps]

No thanks. The one we have now is already too far left of Chavez.

[removeduser_052420]

No thanks. The one we have now is already too far left of Chavez.

Yeah. I even heard that he wasn't a citizen!

[hellheaven1987]

Yeah. I even heard that he wasn't a citizen!

Well, if you don't think Hawaii is part of US.

[Kamos]

No we don't.

Well, if you don't think Hawaii is part of US.

I just so happened to think that very thing, barbarians.

[alhoon]

No thanks. The one we have now is already too far left of Chavez.

Gee... and I thought you elected your president in free elections.

[Kurtz]

Gee... and I thought you elected your president in free elections.

Apparently democracy only works when someone you like is in office.

[National Cause]

Ron Paul for dictator! Wait, that's an oxymoron.

[justicar5]

No thanks. The one we have now is already too far left of Chavez.

Obama, left of Chavez, he's about as consevative as Reagen. Seriously lets look at what Reagen did and compare:






Ronald Reagan: -Gave Amnesty to Illegal Immigrants
-Negotiated with Terrorists (Traded Arms for Hostages with Iran)
-Raised Taxes on a Large Scale Four Times (After Initially Lowering Them)
-Negotiated with the "Evil Empire" without Pre-conditions
-Made a Decision to "Cut and Run" From Lebanon After US Troops Were Attacked

If Obama tried anything like that he'd be lynched...

[Oldgamer]

@justicar
Ronald Reagan: -Gave Amnesty to Illegal Immigrants
Worst mistake he ever made. That's a given.

-Negotiated with Terrorists (Traded Arms for Hostages with Iran)
Brought down the Sandanistas, and saved all of the Miskito Indians in Nicaragua. Both were completely unacceptable outcomes to the DEMs in Congress, which is why you're still talking about it in 2010.

-Raised Taxes on a Large Scale Four Times (After Initially Lowering Them)
He lowered taxes twice, stimulating the US economy so long that Clinton benefited from it.

However, you should understand that it is the Legislature (Congress) that ultimately controls tax revenues. Taxes were raised in 1982 with the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act and the Highway Revenue Act. In 1983, Social Security Tax Rate was raised. In 1984, Congress raised taxes by .04% of GDP. Note that all of these tax increases took place in Omnibus bills.

-Negotiated with the "Evil Empire" without Pre-conditions
Have you ever heard of Reykjavik? He walks in, sits down with Gorbie, intending to talk about human rights, emigration of Soviet Jews, the Soviet treatment of dissidents, and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Gorbachev told him that there would be no summit unless the United States dropped the SDI. That being the case, Reagan closed the talks and left a stunned Gorbachev with his jaw dropping.

-Made a Decision to "Cut and Run" From Lebanon After US Troops Were Attacked
Reagan should have sent in the troops and taken control of the entire country, with the obligation of staying until Lebanon was a functioning democracy that could protect itself from Syria.

If Obama tried anything like that he'd be lynched...

Considering the levels of his popularity nationwide, and approval ratings, could be ...

[justicar5]

@justicar
Ronald Reagan: -Gave Amnesty to Illegal Immigrants
Worst mistake he ever made. That's a given.

1)-Negotiated with Terrorists (Traded Arms for Hostages with Iran)
Brought down the Sandanistas, and saved all of the Miskito Indians in Nicaragua. Both were completely unacceptable outcomes to the DEMs in Congress, which is why you're still talking about it in 2010.

2)-Raised Taxes on a Large Scale Four Times (After Initially Lowering Them)
He lowered taxes twice, stimulating the US economy so long that Clinton benefited from it.

However, you should understand that it is the Legislature (Congress) that ultimately controls tax revenues. Taxes were raised in 1982 with the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act and the Highway Revenue Act. In 1983, Social Security Tax Rate was raised. In 1984, Congress raised taxes by .04% of GDP. Note that all of these tax increases took place in Omnibus bills.

3)-Negotiated with the "Evil Empire" without Pre-conditions
Have you ever heard of Reykjavik? He walks in, sits down with Gorbie, intending to talk about human rights, emigration of Soviet Jews, the Soviet treatment of dissidents, and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Gorbachev told him that there would be no summit unless the United States dropped the SDI. That being the case, Reagan closed the talks and left a stunned Gorbachev with his jaw dropping.

-Made a Decision to "Cut and Run" From Lebanon After US Troops Were Attacked
Reagan should have sent in the troops and taken control of the entire country, with the obligation of staying until Lebanon was a functioning democracy that could protect itself from Syria.


Considering the levels of his popularity nationwide, and approval ratings, could be ...

1) Supported drug running terrorists against a democratically elected goverment you mean?

2) he had the Veto, he could have used it.

3) negotiated strongly, but that is not imposing conditions before agreeing to the summit (for instance 'stop all nuclear enrichment now, or no talks)

4) considering that would have involved American troops killing Chrisitian militias to protect muslims, well would have been interesting to say the least.

[Oldgamer]

1) Supported drug running terrorists against a democratically elected goverment you mean?

A government that spread terror, torture, and murder throughout its populace ... including the attempt to commit genocide against the aforementioned Miskito Indians ..., raised an army in excess of 100 thousand men, for the express purpose of military action against neighboring states (including Costa Rica) and put itself at the use of the Soviet Union and Cuba, on the Central American mainland. Seems like a good thing to me.

2) he had the Veto, he could have used it.

Veto an omnibus bill, which is the budget for the next fiscal year?

3) negotiated strongly, but that is not imposing conditions before agreeing to the summit (for instance 'stop all nuclear enrichment now, or no talks)

He imposed the conditions before he ever met with Gorbachev in Reykjavik. Gorbie agreed to negotiate Reagan's agenda, but then sprang his condition at the Summit, namely, that the United States would stop working on the Strategic Defense Initiative. Reagan would not accept a fait accompli such as this, and walked out.

I remember how the news media was sure that this action would lead to nuclear war. Indeed, the Summit led to the movie The Day After, which school children were assigned to watch.

I was sure that it wouldn't lead to war. The rest is history ...

4) considering that would have involved American troops killing Chrisitian militias to protect muslims, well would have been interesting to say the least.

And the result would have been worth the effort, and Lebanon would have a functioning, democratic government, to this day, and the nation would be safe from the Iranians and Syrians, to this day. The pullout after the Marine barracks bombing was a sign of weakness from America that sent the wrong signal about the United States to the wrong people.

[Strelok]

@justicar
Ronald Reagan: -Gave Amnesty to Illegal Immigrants
Worst mistake he ever made. That's a given.

-Negotiated with Terrorists (Traded Arms for Hostages with Iran)
Brought down the Sandanistas, and saved all of the Miskito Indians in Nicaragua. Both were completely unacceptable outcomes to the DEMs in Congress, which is why you're still talking about it in 2010.

-Raised Taxes on a Large Scale Four Times (After Initially Lowering Them)
He lowered taxes twice, stimulating the US economy so long that Clinton benefited from it.

However, you should understand that it is the Legislature (Congress) that ultimately controls tax revenues. Taxes were raised in 1982 with the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act and the Highway Revenue Act. In 1983, Social Security Tax Rate was raised. In 1984, Congress raised taxes by .04% of GDP. Note that all of these tax increases took place in Omnibus bills.

-Negotiated with the "Evil Empire" without Pre-conditions
Have you ever heard of Reykjavik? He walks in, sits down with Gorbie, intending to talk about human rights, emigration of Soviet Jews, the Soviet treatment of dissidents, and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Gorbachev told him that there would be no summit unless the United States dropped the SDI. That being the case, Reagan closed the talks and left a stunned Gorbachev with his jaw dropping.

-Made a Decision to "Cut and Run" From Lebanon After US Troops Were Attacked
Reagan should have sent in the troops and taken control of the entire country, with the obligation of staying until Lebanon was a functioning democracy that could protect itself from Syria.

I haveth more complaints regarding Lord 'O Reagan:

-SOMETHING BAD GOES HERE-
He used Trickle Down economics
Started the War On Drugs which has done more bad than good
He released mental patients in 1984 and caused a homeless spike when he close down the mental institutions
He tried to push to pass the bill for forceful school prayers back in school
He fired over 12,000 striking air traffic controllers

[Oldgamer]

I haveth more complaints regarding Lord 'O Reagan:

He used Trickle Down economics

It worked.

Started the War On Drugs which has done more bad than good

A point of view held only if you're a liberal or a libertarian. Unfortunately, the "War on Drugs" has never been fought as a war, and so has been largely ineffective.

He released mental patients in 1984 and caused a homeless spike when he close down the mental institutions

This wasn't the first time that this occurred. When he was Governor of California, other state hospitals were shut down. Do you know why? The ACLU was sued on behalf of patients involuntarily committed. The Lanterman-Petris-Short act replaced the large state hospitals with county operated mental health care systems and provided a legal basis for institutionalizing patients. Thanks to the ACLU pressure, involuntary treatment caused the mental heath population to rapidly decline from 37,000 in 11 state hospitals to its present population in 5 hospitals.

He tried to push to pass the bill for forceful school prayers back in school

What's wrong with that?

He fired over 12,000 striking air traffic controllers

What's wrong with that?

[Last Roman]

No thanks. The one we have now is already too far left of Chavez.

you've.got.to.be.joking.


look, there's a lot of things he's done that I don't agree with, but he's hardly going to become the next Stalin.

[xcorps]

you've.got.to.be.joking.


look, there's a lot of things he's done that I don't agree with, but he's hardly going to become the next Stalin.

I was joking, a little.

"Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors. Comrade Obama! Fidel, careful or we are going to end up to his right.”

-Hugo Chavez

[Last Roman]

I was joking, a little.


-Hugo Chavez

but, AFAIK, the plan is to re-privitize it after they pay back the money.

[Augment]

America needs to be enlightened, pretty much the whole world has to be enlightened.
Sure people learn to read and write in school, but critical thinking and enlightened philosophy isnt... thats because most people are too common.

[hellheaven1987]

Sure people learn to read and write in school, but critical thinking and enlightened philosophy isnt... thats because most people are too common.

No, that is because most people are damned lazy, care nothing that is not relating to themselves. It has nothing to do whether you are educated or not.