Inquisitor

[RabiZaher]

Not surprisingly inquisitors and the pope started to get on my nerves. This is nothing new here. Several threads, same discussion - some of you are annoyed (like me), some defend the game mechanics, because religion and the pope have been more influential in the middle ages.

I disagree with this point of view.

First of all, Inquisitors never, ever assassinated Kings or the gentry.

Second, the popes used excommunication, but they used it not every time someone waged war. They used it to suit their politics, true, but they always needed a reason - in my case Milan attacked me, I fought back, the pope ordered a ceasefire, during wich Milan attacked again and again without any problems with the pope. At the end of the ceasefire I attacked - and the pope immediately intervened again. Absolutely not historical. In fact excommunacated Emperors even managed to force the pope to quit the excommunication.

My third point - unless a new player is told about the pope/inquisitor problem, he'll gets the same problems, gets frustrated and annoyed. What good is this for?

Both pope and Inquisitors seem to be a way to avoid the player getting to strong to soon, but there are better, more historical ways - rebellion. Most medieval wars were between the ruler and his barons, not his neighbours.

MTW2 is a good game with interesting factions (in this case better than RTW), but the pope/inquisitor problem needs to be fixed.

[Valandur]

Yeh, I played the HRE in my first campaign ever. Carved out a decent empire, Sicily attacked me, so I cut south and captured Naples and began to move towards Palermo when the Pope threatens to excommunicate me. Not knowing what it is, and I assumed it would be bad, I let Sicily recover in Sicily, and suddenly Denmark, Hungary, Venice, Milan and France attack me in the one turn, no joke. I repel their attacks and divert my armies north from Sicily but keep a blocking force there. Anyway, I go on the offensive, capturing Budapest from the Hungarians, Arhus from the Danes and Ragusa from the Venetians, then the Pope threatens to excommunicate me if I don't ceasefire with them.
Anyway, France launches an attack on Staufen, and I gather up a small army to relieve the siege and I got excommunicated for relieving a besieged city.
So, I get annoyed and continue my offensive on all fronts. Sicily gets exiled to North Africa and I capture Venice. Then the Pope uses his inquisitor to execute Leopold at the stake. Now Leopold was a 8 Command, 6 Dread, 7 Loyalty and 3 Piety General and he was leading my army down in Sicily.
This was the last straw so I attacked Rome, exterminated the populace and captured the Pope, which I executed. New Pope calls a Crusade on Rome, but only France answers.

Anyway, if you want to know what happened on Campaign, I control all of Europe, have an invasion force in England, am advancing deeper into Russia and yeh...Im surpreme overlord lololol.

Morale of the Story : Don't deal with the Pope's , capture Rome and kill him.

[King Of Scotland]

Morale of the Story : Don't deal with the Pope's , capture Rome and kill him.

I have always wanted to try that. Can you actually destroy the Papal States in Medieval II ?

[Snappers]

I so hate those bandy legged ers

[Nazgûl Killer]

I have always wanted to try that. Can you actually destroy the Papal States in Medieval II ?

No. You can't. That's why I think fighting against the Papal States is plain stupidity. You become the number 1 spot for Crusades, all of Christendom hates you and you're fighting an unbeatable enemy. Good luck with that.

[Czin]

No. You can't. That's why I think fighting against the Papal States is plain stupidity. You become the number 1 spot for Crusades, all of Christendom hates you and you're fighting an unbeatable enemy. Good luck with that.

Plus the papal army has a large and powerful roster, with at least two units, the papal and swiss guards who typcally fight to the last man without routing no matter how high your general's dread is. And flying spaghetti monster help you if you make war upon a pope who rules a decent sized empire, because those typically have very big armies.

Plus, the Papal states have a ridiculously high income, in my games they always become the richest nation by far, letting them support their gigantic army even if they just hold rome.

[Jared Sinn]

One word for annoying inquisitors and popes. Asassins

[Valandur]

Plus the papal army has a large and powerful roster, with at least two units, the papal and swiss guards who typcally fight to the last man without routing no matter how high your general's dread is. And flying spaghetti monster help you if you make war upon a pope who rules a decent sized empire, because those typically have very big armies.

Plus, the Papal states have a ridiculously high income, in my games they always become the richest nation by far, letting them support their gigantic army even if they just hold rome.

You must have one screwed up campaign.

[Valandur]

I have always wanted to try that. Can you actually destroy the Papal States in Medieval II ?

No you can't actually destroy the Papal States, the Pope just wanders around the wilderness near Rome, calling Crusaders and all that. In my HRE Campaign, I got about 5 Units of Teutonic Knights, named it *Pope Control* and put them near the Pope so whenever a Cardinal from another faction gets elected, I immediately attack him and kill him.
Only when my Cardinals were elected would I leave him be which began a certainty because by the time I got bored, only England, Poland, Spain, Scotland and The Papacy remained as the Catholic Factions.

[Muagan_ra]

The latest patch nerfs the power of the inquisitors. Pre-patch they where slaughtering all of my royal families.

[thespaniard]

is there a way to change your m2tw game in the folder so that papal states are extermitable and so i can play them france moors papal states and russia are my favorite unit picks ive done a campaign with all but the states but the game wont let me so is there anyway to change that?