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i think that is is good that india and pakistan are deciding to help each other in the aftermath of the quake...
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Pakistan, India prepare for Kashmir border opening
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i think that is is good that india and pakistan are deciding to help each other in the aftermath of the quake...
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It seems like India will only open one point of crossing, due to "tehnical problems"...
So basically aid will be delayed. And that is not good news for the people in need of aid.
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You can hope though, that this may lead to peace in that war-torn region.
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
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Both India and Pakistan seem to care about the region and its control a bit to much to just let something as insignificant as a natural disaster trouble them in their concerns about regional power.
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We can hope, remember the Indians and the Pakistanis were once one.
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
—Sir William Francis Butler
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...and then Pakistan broke off and became an Islamic State, whereafter, Bangladesh broke off with Indian help. Local issues of suzerainty prevail at times, but this issues will be assuaged, and seem to be increasingly so by the growth of diplomatic relations between India and Pakistan. Further, it seems that this disaster may bring about greater relations between the two, and hopefully may be the harbinger for a free trade zone.Originally Posted by Farnan
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I thought the Brits broke India up into a Muslim Pakistan and a Hindu India.
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
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By that I meant that the Muslim League made a strong current to create a separate state for Muslims. Thus, they broke of from the Indian statehood push, and hence the Brits created two states by breaking apart Punjab and Bengal.
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I'm not too worried about India and Pakistan, even though both sides have nukes and hate each other. After all, the Muslims in Pakistan believe they go to heaven if they die fighting the infidel, and the Hindus in India believe they'll just get reincarnated anyway. So we've certainly got nothing to worry... oh, crap.
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Plus there are around 200 Million Muslims in India...anyways, things are getting better and diplomacy is working.
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And the military shot at civilians trying to cross the only opened crossing point.. Yap, it's getting better and better...
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Sure there will be a few such incidents, but in the light of the history between the two nations, the fact that this discourse is occuring is great.
Look at the big picture.
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A border crossing opened up, then it turns into a shooting gallery? That doesn't sound like progress, that sounds like an ambush.
I am sure India is reluctant to open more than just a small number of spots. India has long accused Pakistan of arming and supporting the muslim militants in the Kashmir region for forever.
It also doesnt help that back in the day the Pakistanis used to have relations with the Taliban...something that didnt exactly make the Indians feel at ease since it had two hostile countries fairly close to its borders.
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More on the story:
In light of this:World
PoK wants India, shouts for freedom!
Reuters
Titrinote, Pakistan, November 7: Pakistani police fired tear gas and shots to disperse hundreds of villagers trying to approach a border crossing with India alongside Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir after it was opened to facilitate earthquake relief efforts.
Villagers shouted 'Let people cross' and 'What we want is freedom' as they approached the Line of Control, the de facto border.
However, there were others who took a totally divergent view. "We want an independent Kashmir. We don't respect this border," said one of the protesters, Azhar Mushtaq.
Some Kashmiri separatists, who want to see a united Kashmir independent of both Pakistan and India, have objected to the opening, saying it would lead to the line becoming a formal border, and the permanent division of Kashmir.
Shortly before the protest, Indian and Pakistani military officials opened the disputed border in a largely symbolic gesture to help survivors of the Oct 8 earthquake that killed more than 73,000 people in PoK and about 1,300 in India.
Military officials from the two sides shook hands across the line and an orange Indian truck carrying relief goods backed up to it while a Pakistani truck drove up in reverse from its side. Men then began unloading sacks from the Indian truck into the Pakistani one.
"This is a historical event. There have been physical and mental barriers for 60 years. Now the mental barriers are crumbling," said B.R. Sharma, a commissioner in Jammu, speaking before the protest.
FIVE CROSSINGS
The two sides had agreed to open five points on the heavily militarised Line of Control dividing Kashmir, the region worst hit by an Oct 8 earthquake.
But on Saturday, India said only one of the five, in its Poonch district which was lightly touched by the quake, would open on Monday.
Pakistani officials said only relief goods would be crossing the line on Monday as paperwork had delayed hoped-for reunions of divided families.
Opening the Line of Control is not expected to make a big difference to relief efforts.
With the Pakistani side accessible by road, villagers said they didn't need aid from India. They just wanted to see relatives on the other side.
"We want the Pakistan and Indian governments to ease restrictions to let people meet," Pakistani villager Sardar Abdul Hafiz said shortly before the protest.
He was one of several hundred people, many from divided families, watching the border opening.
"We don't need sugar, flour or rice or anything else. We just want to see our dear ones," he said.
While the Pakistani side suffered heavier quake damage than the Indian side, the area where the border was opened is on the southern edge of the disaster zone.
The Indian army said a relief camp at the newly opened border point, at Chakan da Bagh opposite Titrinote, was ready to host 100 people and a helipad had been restored to evacuate any emergency patients.
However, because Titrinote is accessible by road it is unlikely any patients are still awaiting medical help or emergency aid.
TIME RUNNING OUT
But aid officials warn that with winter fast approaching, time is running out for up to three million people left homeless by the quake in Pakistan, some of whom remain without help high in the mountains while temperatures tumble.
Aid workers say opening a border crossing into Pakistan's hard-hit Neelum Valley, about 80 km to the north, would be most significant in terms of aid as that area is still cut off by landslides.
India says it will open a route into the Neelum Valley from Tithwal to Nauseri on the Pakistani side on Thursday. Pakistan says a bridge must be laid across the Neelum river before relief goods can come in.
But with roads swept away by landslides, any aid from the Indian side would still have to be moved by helicopter to communities outside the immediate area.
Pakistani and Indian forces used to exchange regular artillery fire along the line until they agreed to a ceasefire in late 2003.
That truce has underpinned a hesitant peace process between the nuclear-armed rivals which has included talks on a range of disputes, including their central disagreement over Kashmir.
Pakistan controls about a third of Kashmir, India about half and China the remainder.
URL: http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=57914
What is happening is not as bad.Pakistani and Indian forces used to exchange regular artillery fire along the line until they agreed to a ceasefire in late 2003.
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Just thinking about Pakistan and India makes me shutter. I pray for peace in that region, I just don't know how realistic it is in the next 1000 years or so. Here's to blind optimisum.
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