What is your opinion on intellectual property, should it be recognized or not?
Intellectual Property
What is your opinion on intellectual property, should it be recognized or not?
Protector Domesticus
Re: Intellectual Property
Kind of torn here.
Personally, I'd like to think that you should be able to profit from ideas which are your own, and benefit society as a whole. To an extent. Not to the same extent as these days, as it rarely tends that the actual person who created the idea benefits from it, which pretty much removes the entire point of intellectual property laws from a utilitarian perspective. Reduce the statue of limitations on certain things. Music/movies/games, five years. Books and 'misc' ten, scientific discoveries of monumental importance until the end of the creator's life. As it is, basically scaling back and curbing the clear excesses of the current system (Yes, you, Universal) rather than killing it entirely.
Also, while you may be a insane anarchist, +Rep for creating a fantastic topic.
Originally Posted by Denny Crane!
I'm afraid of everyone
Re: Intellectual Property
Personally, I think the idea of owning the rights to particular arrangement of words, numbers, pictures, etc. is laughable. If someone writes and performs a song, and then someone comes along and performs the same song better and is able to profit from it; that is not stealing, that is free market. The first guy might want to think about changing careers.
Here is a rather lengthy talk given on the issue from my hometown last summer:
In the Legion of Rahl Under the patronage of Corporal_Hicks
“I grew up middle class, white, my parents loved me. So I might not necessarily relate to what your circumstances were. I hear them and understand them, but that’s not an excuse for you to fail. Don’t come in here and say, ‘Well, you know, that’s just kind of the way I was brought up.’ No. If you’re in a bad way right now, it’s because of the choices you made in response to your circumstances. So change your choices.” -Gene Chizik
Re: Intellectual Property
Yet owning the rights to a particular arrangement of matter is not?
I'm afraid of everyone
Re: Intellectual Property
Exactly. Matter is finite. Language is not. You can not get a tragedy of the commons because of language.
In the Legion of Rahl Under the patronage of Corporal_Hicks
“I grew up middle class, white, my parents loved me. So I might not necessarily relate to what your circumstances were. I hear them and understand them, but that’s not an excuse for you to fail. Don’t come in here and say, ‘Well, you know, that’s just kind of the way I was brought up.’ No. If you’re in a bad way right now, it’s because of the choices you made in response to your circumstances. So change your choices.” -Gene Chizik
Re: Intellectual Property
yes you can
why would I bother writing a song that could be at number 1 for 28 weeks if I know it's going to be ripped off by a dozen other artists, not make #1 and make no money at all?
In fact hte modern world would collapse without it. We would be back in the late iron age.
Why would I bother curing alzheimer's disease if I would have wasted 15 years of my life for no financial gain and end up worse off than when I started?
Last edited by removeduser_4536284751384; June 27, 2010 at 06:12 PM.
Biarchus
Re: Intellectual Property
I'll wager $50 you've never written a song in your life.
I'm afraid of everyone
Re: Intellectual Property
How is this relevant? You are attempting to poison the well.
In the Legion of Rahl Under the patronage of Corporal_Hicks
“I grew up middle class, white, my parents loved me. So I might not necessarily relate to what your circumstances were. I hear them and understand them, but that’s not an excuse for you to fail. Don’t come in here and say, ‘Well, you know, that’s just kind of the way I was brought up.’ No. If you’re in a bad way right now, it’s because of the choices you made in response to your circumstances. So change your choices.” -Gene Chizik
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: Intellectual Property
It is relevant. If you created a song, you would want it to sell. If someone else steals your song (Not as in download for free, thats copyright infringement, I mean your whole song idea) and makes a better one, and sells it, and you don't make money or get compensated for your original work, wont you feel sad, or mad?
I'm afraid of everyone
Re: Intellectual Property
My emotional reaction does not make something right or wrong.
In the Legion of Rahl Under the patronage of Corporal_Hicks
“I grew up middle class, white, my parents loved me. So I might not necessarily relate to what your circumstances were. I hear them and understand them, but that’s not an excuse for you to fail. Don’t come in here and say, ‘Well, you know, that’s just kind of the way I was brought up.’ No. If you’re in a bad way right now, it’s because of the choices you made in response to your circumstances. So change your choices.” -Gene Chizik
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: Intellectual Property
There should be intellectual property. Without it, you wouldn't have some of the fantastic games you have, because many Developers and Publishers will be deterred, since they wouldn't make as much as money, if not at all. If you can't make money for something you invented or made, then what's the reason to even make it? So that is why I support Intellectual Property.
I'm afraid of everyone
Re: Intellectual Property
I would argue that the possibility of someone making the same game only better, would lead to an increase in the "fantastic-ness" of games. The ones who put out the highest quality games would flourish, and the the overall quality of games would get exponentially greater over time.
You can not. The tragedy of commons requires the depletion of finite resources.
And that is just a chance someone would have to take. And don't confuse my disdain for IP with my thoughts on plagiarism. Credit should most definitely be given to the original creator, but exclusive rights to those words? I think not.
Unless that cure involves some kind of chant or jingle, it doesn't apply here.
Last edited by Maron; June 27, 2010 at 06:18 PM.
In the Legion of Rahl Under the patronage of Corporal_Hicks
“I grew up middle class, white, my parents loved me. So I might not necessarily relate to what your circumstances were. I hear them and understand them, but that’s not an excuse for you to fail. Don’t come in here and say, ‘Well, you know, that’s just kind of the way I was brought up.’ No. If you’re in a bad way right now, it’s because of the choices you made in response to your circumstances. So change your choices.” -Gene Chizik
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: Intellectual Property
But then there would be no motivation to make any games. What motivation can you get from making a fantastic game, if you know your not going to make any money or be rich in the first place?
Re: Intellectual Property
we already do make hte same game only better. It's called modding.
If there was no intellecutal poverty, there would be no game in the first place to make better.
Why would I spend 3 years making a game if I knew someoen was going to buy the first copy, add a few features, and sell their own version? I would make a huge loss and not bother.
I'm afraid of everyone
Re: Intellectual Property
If no one is putting out games, that looks like an excellent time to jump into the market.:
So you don't think that modders should be compensated?
How do you know this?
Maybe you could make several versions and dominate the market. Maybe you could make the game unmoddable. Maybe you could make a higher quality game to start with.
In the Legion of Rahl Under the patronage of Corporal_Hicks
“I grew up middle class, white, my parents loved me. So I might not necessarily relate to what your circumstances were. I hear them and understand them, but that’s not an excuse for you to fail. Don’t come in here and say, ‘Well, you know, that’s just kind of the way I was brought up.’ No. If you’re in a bad way right now, it’s because of the choices you made in response to your circumstances. So change your choices.” -Gene Chizik
Re: Intellectual Property
they can ask for payment if they want, a tiny number do, it depends on what they ask for. Most don't, although many ask for donations to keep servers running etc.
common sense
these aren't solutions to the problem bacon and I pointed out above.
Last edited by Darth Red; June 27, 2010 at 06:53 PM. Reason: offensive order removed
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: Intellectual Property
How are some people going to even fund the project for a game, if there not going to eventually get paid for there investment? The world would be poor then.If no one is putting out games, that looks like an excellent time to jump into the market.
The free market would be a disaster for our economy.
Re: Intellectual Property
well i like the idea of patents that allows the originator a set period of a monopoly over the product-let's say, a period not exceeding 10 yrs or the amount of time it took for R&D;
after that, i say, anything goes.
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: Intellectual Property
This is what I can agree with. But I would lessen it to be 5 years.
Semisalis
Re: Intellectual Property
something like this, you should be able to own it for free but not sell it with few add ons. For example i just got some free eBooks (art of war, adventures of sherlock holmes, adventures of tom sawyer, Iliad, Odyssey, utopia, prince) so should i be able to sell these works as my own with little or no change whatsoever?
a person takes years to make something like a story, another person should be able to change it a bit(like change the cover) and call it his own? There is always room for improvements, but this would be theft.
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