Pakistan Earthquake - Did you donate?

[eurolord]

Hi all,

Personally, I have no intention of dontating a single penny to the disaster appeal in respect of the Pakistan earthquake.

Why? The area that the earthquake took place in is the same area that supports the Al Quaida network - without the support of local people in this mountainous area, Bin laden would have been captured or killed long ago.

In addition, the people that live there openly applauded and supported the the 9/11 suicide attacks on New York. I have no doubt they also thrived on the bombings in Spain and the UK as well.

I'm afraid if you support terrorism on certain states, you can't seriously expect those states to come running to your aid in an emergency.

I don't see Bin laden handing out large sums of aid money to these people and they are supposed to be his friends and supporters.

Eurolord

p.s I did donate to the Tsumani appeal in early 2005, but I won't donate anything to this appeal.

[Richard the Lionheart]

I don't see Bin laden handing out large sums of aid money to these people and they are supposed to be his friends and supporters.

Yeah seriously, why is that? Maybe it's because Bin Laden is full of crap. Maybe it's because he's a terrorist and so he doesn't give a damn about those people.

[ODST]

Why? The area that the earthquake took place in is the same area that supports the Al Quaida network - without the support of local people in this mountainous area, Bin laden would have been captured or killed long ago.

Really?? If Bin Laden is anywhere in Pakistan he's probably near the border with Afghanistan (Peshawar) or in Balochistan where tribal chiefs have rule.

In addition, the people that live there openly applauded and supported the the 9/11 suicide attacks on New York. I have no doubt they also thrived on the bombings in Spain and the UK as well.

I'm afraid if you support terrorism on certain states, you can't seriously expect those states to come running to your aid in an emergency.

I'm sure many people in New Orleans supported the Iraq War which to date has probably killed over 50,000 civilians, why should we have donated to them then??

I don't know how you can believe this, but it seems that there are many people who feel the same way. The international response has been pathetic compared with the Tsunami.

But it doesn't matter about what they do or say, even if they do support Bin Laden (which is unlikely) we, as members of the richest nations of Earth, have a responsibilty to help those in need. Whether we like it or not.

[leeho730]

I'm sure many people in New Orleans supported the Iraq War which to date has probably killed over 50,000 civilians, why should we have donated to them then??

Probably it's more appropriate to say "why should Iraqis donate to Hurricaine Katrina relief?" :wink:

But it doesn't matter about what they do or say, even if they do support Bin Laden (which is unlikely) we, as members of the richest nations of Earth, have a responsibilty to help those in need. Whether we like it or not.

Sounds pretty socialistic to me...

Anyway my government sent aid to Pakistan and it came out from taxpayers' money so I suppose I donated indirectly.

[eurolord]

Hi Odst,

And who has killed at least 25000 of those casualties in Iraq - Al Quaida and its supporting terrorist organisations.

Unlike most of you on this forum, I have actually been to Iraq. Terrorism in Iraq isnt in most cases caused by internally bred terrorists. Most of them come from outside Iraq, Syria and Iran being 2 of the best candidates. The Uk and the remainder of Europe have of course also sent their own small contigents of misguided idiots to fight for the cause.

I should also say that both of these countroes (Iran and Syria) have a vested interest in ensuring that Iraq is destabalised.

I should also say that the vast majority of the Iraqi population are 100% in favour of the invasion in 2003. The only ones who werent are the ones who had previously held all the power under Saddam.

Why do we have a responsibility to these people - please explain.

Eurolord

[ODST]

Perhaps you're right Eurolord, but where did Al-Qaeda come from??

Didn't it spawn from when the U.S government funded the Taliban to fight against the USSR?? Wasn't Bin Laden part of the 'Mujaheedin' at that time?? Didn't we support Saddam Hussein and practically give him free authority to fight against Iran??

Where was terrorism before all this?? Unintentionally or not, our governments pretty much created breeding grounds for terrorism in the Middle East. We created terrorism IMO.

We have puppets in many countries in that area - Musharraf, Saudis, Kuwaiti Royal Family etc. but we never stop to think about what the people themselves want.

And why do we have a responsibilty to help them?? If we don't help them, then who will??

@leeho730

Yep, my mistake, it is more appropriate. :wink:

Socialistic?? Does that make it wrong then??

[leeho730]

Socialistic?? Does that make it wrong then??

No I was simply making an observation.

[danzig]

Perhaps you're right Eurolord, but where did Al-Qaeda come from??

Didn't it spawn from when the U.S government funded the Taliban to fight against the USSR?? Wasn't Bin Laden part of the 'Mujaheedin' at that time?? Didn't we support Saddam Hussein and practically give him free authority to fight against Iran??

Where was terrorism before all this?? Unintentionally or not, our governments pretty much created breeding grounds for terrorism in the Middle East. We created terrorism IMO.

If going to point fingers like that, who carved up the middle east in the first place and its borders creating 'artifical' countries regardless of what the people in the region wanted? Hint it wasnt the US. You do realize as well terrorism isnt a recent occurence right? It has existed thru out history in one form or another.

[ODST]

If going to point fingers like that, who carved up the middle east in the first place and its borders creating 'artifical' countries regardless of what the people in the region wanted? Hint it wasnt the US. You do realize as well terrorism isnt a recent occurence right? It has existed thru out history in one form or another.

I believe it was France and Britain that created those countries after WW1, am I right??

Perhaps it isn't a recent occurence, I have no idea whether it is or not, but have you ever heard anyone speak of terrorism before the 1960's?? Because the first time I ever heard of the word terrorism was after the 9/11 attacks.

[danzig]

I believe it was France and Britain that created those countries after WW1, am I right??

Perhaps it isn't a recent occurence, I have no idea whether it is or not, but have you ever heard anyone speak of terrorism before the 1960's?? Because the first time I ever heard of the word terrorism was after the 9/11 attacks.

Because for the most part the US wasnt the target of terrorism until recently, hence it received alot less press/exposure. Its why America has been 'attacked' by some as if oh now terrorism is a big deal now that you got a taste of it, a valid comment imo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rist_incidents

There is a list of terrorism thru out history, no denying the NUMBER of events have increased since 1940s but terrorism isnt new.

"1st Century - The Sicarii and other groups generically termed Zealots begin a covert campaign against the Roman occupation of Judea, characterized by assassinations of "collaborators"."

[Guderian]

And who has killed at least 25000 of those casualties in Iraq - Al Quaida and its supporting terrorist organisations

Wrong.

The Uk and the remainder of Europe have of course also sent their own small contigents of misguided idiots to fight for the cause.

The British army? I never knew Europeans supported the war in Iraq...har har har

I should also say that both of these countroes (Iran and Syria) have a vested interest in ensuring that Iraq is destabalised.

I agree with you. But that's no reason not to help people suffering from a natural disaster...

I should also say that the vast majority of the Iraqi population are 100% in favour of the invasion in 2003. The only ones who werent are the ones who had previously held all the power under Saddam.

Did GWB tell you that personally, or did he send a telegram (mabye it was the internet, technology bah!)

Why do we have a responsibility to these people - please explain.

Because your a human being.

[visigothe]

Did GWB tell you that personally, or did he send a telegram (mabye it was the internet, technology bah!)

no late night news like 2am so no one can see it

[Farnan]

First to Eurolord: Thank you for serving your country in Iraq, and if your not American thank you for supporting our troops there.

To the rest: There may be one good thing about this earthquake...A certain cave may have collapsed. I do think we should give money for two reasons:
1. To help win the hearts and minds of the people.
2. Because probably most of the people there don't know the truth about Bin Laden.

[Francisco Montana]

We're struggling to make ends meet with a new boy on the way in Jan, but we did send in $50 to the Red Cross.

[eltrevo]

we didn't even send in relief to the Hurricane relief.

[over-man]

I agree with the original poster. If anything, the earthquake was a good thing.
I would only hope that the stupid, religious, superstitious people that live in the region(islamists) felt like god was punishing them.
Perhaps we should send missionaries along with our relief effort.

[Ummon]

On the other hand, you should donate, and show that you are different from those muslims who applauded Katrina hitting the US. There can be no future for the west which is not based on a behaviour capable of winning the hearts and minds of people.

Furthermore, homeless children have no fault of the more or less violent ideologies they are surrounded with.

[fireship4]

I hope you know there are children dying out there.

[Francisco Montana]

Furthermore, homeless children have no fault of the more or less violent ideologies they are surrounded with.

Having a small child of my own, that's really where I was coming from when I sent in my modest donation to the Red Cross.

[Empyrean]

What we do with our own money is our business. The idea that victims have a legitimate claim on our resources simply because they "need" them is evil. Charity is not compulsory; if it is, then it's not charity. It becomes theft.

That said, I spent some of my money on supplies and put together relief kits with hygiene essentials. It was something my church organized.