Bosnian Church & Bosnia Discussions (all off topic posts will be deleted and their authors court-martialed)

[Hrobatos]

Ok,I really do not know if kritjani have church, because I did not see anywhere evidence......I know kritjani exist in bosna, there are graves and records about them.But Bosnian Church and the Bosnian people did not exist at that time(Bosnia was only name of the territory), they were Serbs, Croats and heretic religious refugees(bogomili,katari..) from south balkan.......

krstjani are far different than bogumili and katars, just like Bosnian_Queen said, there are bunch of proofs of different perception of world than bogumils and katars had

[Bosnian_King]

Ok,I really do not know if kritjani have church, because I did not see anywhere evidence......I know kritjani exist in bosna, there are graves and records about them.But Bosnian Church and the Bosnian people did not exist at that time(Bosnia was only name of the territory), they were Serbs, Croats and heretic religious refugees(bogomili,katari..) from south balkan.......

Actually all the bosnian kings mention only Bosnians in Bosnia during the middle ages. They use the old term "Bosnjanin" or Dobri Bosnjanin (noble bosnjanin) And when they talk about serbs and Croats they talk about them as another nation:"The Croats and we Bosnians" or "And Hrvoje Vukicic Hrvatinic came to me with his Croats and about this noble Bosnians can testify."

So I think you are missing the point about but I will not see it as an insult because I think that you do not mean it bad; you just don't know.

Let's just not go off topic! The topic is about the church!

[phoenix[illusion]]

ok, no more offtopic. anyways, i'm still for the simple stone buildings, but there's no any evidence.
i'm more interesting in symbols, did the use cross? as far as i know, and read, they didn't, because they hated to pray to the cross on which was Jesus Christ crucified. it was "satanic" from their side of faith.

[Bosnian_King]

ok, no more offtopic. anyways, i'm still for the simple stone buildings, but there's no any evidence.
i'm more interesting in symbols, did the use cross?

I don't know. I know that the Pope Inocencije wrote:

"And may the Bosnian Djed bi doomed together with all the kscani who are refusing to pray towards the holy cross and the holy simbols."

So from this sentence we can conclude that they did not. But more research is needed I think. I can do some research in the holidays.

[phoenix[illusion]]

I don't know. I know that the Pope Inocencije wrote:

"And may the Bosnian Djed bi doomed together with all the kscani who are refusing to pray towards the holy cross and the holy simbols."

So from this sentence we can conclude that they did not. But more research is needed I think. I can do some research in the holidays.

i've updated my last post
well, also, i know that they didn't like icons too, which are used in orthodox churches. they consider icons as idols, and God in bible once said "do not have any idols, do not pray to them... i'm your only God"

[il_duce_!]

I don't know. I know that the Pope Inocencije wrote:

"And may the Bosnian Djed bi doomed together with all the kscani who are refusing to pray towards the holy cross and the holy simbols."

So from this sentence we can conclude that they did not. But more research is needed I think. I can do some research in the holidays.

Then be useful and find somethng that we can use as a symbol for ths religion.

[phoenix[illusion]]

haha, i've found swastika




anyways, all motives from stecci. there are swastikas, crosses, greek crosses (like +)

[Baron Vlad Felix]

krstjani are far different than bogumili and katars, just like Bosnian_Queen said, there are bunch of proofs of different perception of world than bogumils and katars had

The Bogimils, a Christian Church, were expelled from Serbia by the Nemanjić, so they settled and populated Bosnia, founding a unique Bosnian Church that spread and gained popularity during under Kulin's reign. The Dalmatian King of Zeta or Doclea Vukan Nemanjić reported the Ban to the Pope on January 8, 1199 for heresy, threatening retribution. It appears that Kulin Ban and his wife, as well as his sister - the widow of Prince Miroslav - abandoned Roman Catholicism in favor of Bogumilism together with ten thousand of their Christian subjects. Kulin also gave protection to the banished heretics from Split and Trogir - which Vukan reported to the Pope. The Pope wrote to King Emeric of Hungary to make Kulin prosecute the Bogumils or depose him.

So before the kristjani were Bogumils.

@Bosnian_King

"Bosona" (Βοσωνα)-Bosnia(is described as "a župa of Serbia" (χοριον) under that name begins is mention of the 958(as a region)....Bosna was controled Serbian and Croatian principality,before nine centuries and Bosnian (regional ) name!!

Does this mean that the Serbs and Croats become Bosnjaci?

[dabela]

Does this mean that the Serbs and Croats become Bosnjaci?

Yes it does, but Bosnian_King will say that its not true... Just dont go there...

[Matthæus]

Yes there is evidence. There is also clear evidence that such churches existed at the capital Bobovac because they were mentioned. Those churches were mentioned more than 50 times by the bosnian state documents.

this is very logical.

well kings had at least pretend to be catholic (we can't say what was their personal opinion - well except for last 2 which were strict Catholics). If king was officially declared as "Krstjan" it would mean serous problems with the Pope and rest of Catholic Europe and would result in crusade. So it was a necessity.

And since kings were "officially Catholic" they had to have a place to pray - a chapel. every castle in christian Europe has one. so this was also a necessity. but if king was personally a convinced "Krstjan" then he did not spend much time there.

anyway compare Bosnia to Serbia or Croatia. in Croatia and Serbia there are much more remains of medieval churches...
clearly building big and representative churches was not a priority for "Krstjans". of course they had a place to pray, but not big representative buildings.

or am i wrong ? find me some archeological evidence of big churches in Bosnia. or monasteries (not Catholic or Orthodox) ?

haha, i've found swastika

of course that if from "Handjar" division

[Baron Vlad Felix]

of course that if from "Handjar" division

"Handjar"-knights
.....

[dabela]

ing stop already... We have one truth, and he has the other one... We will never think like him, and he will never think like us and that is why we should stop arquing

[Matthæus]

another wave of deleting off topic posts will follow ....

[phoenix[illusion]]

anyways, i still suggest any of these symbols from stecci

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[Matthæus]

anyways, i still suggest any of these symbols from stecci

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well we still have to choose one

PS
does someone have serious intention to go and read book or two about the topic ?
otherwise this is pointless, internet sources are no good, and i don't believe in "hearsay" arguments.

[phoenix[illusion]]

well we still have to choose one

PS
does someone have serious intention to go and read book or two about the topic ?
otherwise this is pointless, internet sources are no good, and i don't believe in "hearsay" arguments.

well, reading a book would not help so much. i'm skeptic in most of the books, cause they don't give any information
anyways, i have one book on cyrilic... i'll see what can i find

[Bosnian_King]

well we still have to choose one

PS
does someone have serious intention to go and read book or two about the topic ?
otherwise this is pointless, internet sources are no good, and i don't believe in "hearsay" arguments.

I got an intention but after my exams in the holidays. So I don't know if you can wait for 4 weeks?

[Baron Vlad Felix]

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(matko says: all off topic posts will be deleted and their authors court-martialed)

[Matthæus]

I got an intention but after my exams in the holidays. So I don't know if you can wait for 4 weeks?

we cant wait.
actually i might read something next month...

well, reading a book would not help so much. i'm skeptic in most of the books, cause they don't give any information
anyways, i have one book on cyrilic... i'll see what can i find

depends on the book, and you don't know if it is good until you have read it.

[Bosnian_King]

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