Nerfed!

Dispite all the awesomeness of the recently released patch, there is something i cant get my head around. The fact that the Russians got nerfed, of all nations -__- , yes, the expense of their infanry has been increased by 10g, melee skills degraded and the effectivness of the famed unicorns has been decreased. Yes it is a real shame, seeing as before they were well balanced. Now i can bearly put up arms against Austria.

Russian infantry all get a better charge bonus, better melee defence and are better at shooting. 20 pound Unicorns are more expensive, but are otherwise unchanged. In my experience, the changes to Russia are good as they rely on their Unicorns less heavily.

The changes that I really don't like are to Austria. Hungarian fusiliers were nerfed even though they were already the same cost as British Foot and much weaker. Stupid balance change. Other than that though, I like the latest patch.

No, the accuracy is unchanged, and all howizers, including unicorns have decreased accuracy.

Still, the infantry now has a charge of 20, which is more than many heavy cavalry.

I think the charge bonus is a bit silly I mean more than most cavalry.

Charge onus 20 WTF ARE YOU THINKING CA!

Also the unicorns have not been nerfed at all asd the extra gun more than makes up for the accuracy decrease.

Hmm ... looks like CA has watched too many Stalingrad movies.

After playing and trying many times the extra russian charge is not worth the extra cost the new patch has included,to my great sadness i must add,even with there elite dlc guard with a charge of 24 or 27 i cant remember, the most kills you will get is 10 to 20 on ultra settings with the charge,and with the decrease in melee att its just not worth the extra cost.
I think they did this to make up for the killing power of the unis but they are only good on maps with bottle necks,so in the end they are just a one trick pony and not worth using most of the time,its just a shame because they had the balance right in empire when there was no unicorn's.

lol so you're telling me a bunch of stampeding Russians kill more than a cavalry charge? Thats ridiculous! So russian infantry can charge charging cavalry head on and come out on top?

The Russian's charge bonus is negated by their pathetic defense and morale. A high charge doesn't mean much if you can't follow through.

Not to mention charging is suicide in this game. By the time your guys get to melee, half the unit is dead from gunfire.

Originally Posted by Swerg

The Russian's charge bonus is negated by their pathetic defense and morale. A high charge doesn't mean much if you can't follow through.

Not to mention charging is suicide in this game. By the time your guys get to melee, half the unit is dead from gunfire.

i agree with you on the pathetic defense and moral thing,but to say charging is suicide is wrong because you never charge a unit with out a meat shield or cav disruption,also if you let them shoot it out for a little while before charging the enemys fire will be stagged and you wont be coping full line volleys on the charge.

Originally Posted by bushranger

i agree with you on the pathetic defense and moral thing,but to say charging is suicide is wrong because you never charge a unit with out a meat shield or cav disruption,also if you let them shoot it out for a little while before charging the enemys fire will be stagged and you wont be coping full line volleys on the charge.

That doesn't really mean a lot on the campaign map. You either have to wait 2 years for your infantry to refill, or two years for your meat shield to refill. You more or less can't win a battle without losing half your troops.

Yes, and now it is impossible to win against the british, because they have equal melee damage to the Russians and a higher defence. I can't fight against the british with just cossacks and uncorns, this needs to change......soon!!

Valmir238, i came to the same conclusions as you did - http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/72362


And for all those 'omg, they have more charge than cav' that stat is calculated differently for cav and infantry.

I played a game today, where i managed to catch 3 advancing British lines with 3 of my own with down the hill (!) charge, after I delivered a volley (!) ... well, when the dust settled, I routed them, but I had almost no soldiers left...
If they were stationary, I would have been decimated.

you all should watch other nation's stats too, a lot of them are 15 already.

I think CA once read Suvorov's quote and now stick with their meelee idea, unable to understand whole picture or meaning of Suvorov's ideas about bayonet use.
This approach promotes infamous indian sick hordes, with simple strategy - game start=>charge every unit=>hope opponent is too slow to form up his forces=>if failed, charge again.
Creative Assembly is like a child with mental disability - it's shameful to laugh at them, but it is disgusting when try to feel compasion for this retard.
P.S. Oh, and also, praised be camping, cuz most people will hold their positions with their superior artillery, rather than advance with their crappy infantry.