How the War with Iran will Start

[Red_legged_devils]

http://www.rense.com/general83/irwar.htm An Intersting Read, The things i've seen prove to me that any such war will not be a win win for anyone. what do you guys think?

[Pious Agnost]

No reason to believe half of that is true.

Why did he suddenly mention NATO going to war with Russia, no explanation given?

Because he is weaving a fearmongering doomsday scenario.

EDIT: Also it is by a guy who on other sites refers to himself as 'Lord Sterling'

[Red_legged_devils]

No reason to believe half of that is true.

Why did he suddenly mention NATO going to war with Russia, no explanation given?

Because he is weaving a fearmongering doomsday scenario.

EDIT: Also it is by a guy who on other sites refers to himself as 'Lord Sterling'

Becouse he's a Strategic Planner....I hear thy get paid alot of money to draw up what ifs for the pentagon and other privet military thinktanks like the rand Corp. You honestly didnt just think people go to war with out planning and carefuly weighting out the advantages did you? plus the risk? This is the kind of doom's day papers that land on the secretary of defenses desk in the morning. Ok Mr Secretary we did what you asked,we sit down and played the table game and this is what wecome up with. What should we do next?

@Red_Legged_Devils:Be a little more patient. Will come.

The war with iran was planned many Many years ago. The wars in afganistan and iraq Where to put bases close enough to attack iran the Main target *Giggles* All along. from turkey and in almost every place touching irans borders we have troops. Now the isrealies are landing troops and jets in saudi airspace etc.

This is far to much movement to be trying to scare iran into submitting. Its only a matter of time now, Could be Days or months, How many aircraft carriers are in the gulf now like 3 or so? now with the roosevelt, and german and french ships. and of course israelie ships. Now where will the attack at home to gain the support for this war come at? hmmm smoke in mirrors

[Pious Agnost]

Becouse he's a Strategic Planner....I hear thy get paid alot of money to draw up what ifs for the pentagon and other privet military thinktanks like the rand Corp. You honestly didnt just think people go to war with out planning and carefuly weighting out the advantages did you? plus the risk?

I am well aware that the US and many other countries have war plans that they will never use, I even know of specific examples and the details. However, this guy dosen't give his name and also dosen't give any proof that he was a strategic planner, and this report hasn't turned up on any reputable sources. I don't trust it, in short.

This is the kind of doom's day papers that land on the secretary of defenses desk in the morning. Ok Mr Secretary we did what you asked,we sit down and played the table game and this is what wecome up with. What should we do next?

I am aware of that also.

I am also aware that if they released one to the public, they would be arrested.

[Farnan]

Ever since 2006 I have heard so call "experts" claim that any day now a war against Iran will start.

Still waiting on that.

[Red_legged_devils]

For the record fellas, The pentagon pays these people to write up What IF's if we go to war with such and such, This is not some crazy crack pot writeing . Im sure he worked for the rand corp as a military planner, as most of these writers have at some point.

Race specific bio weapions are pretty well known, I believe south africa was the place they where frist made...dick cheney bragged about haveing them. That is the man made super virus the artical talks about, many countreys have them, If you think for a moment that the war COMEing with iran is going to be a bombing like baghdad with little or No response, or some weak rocket attack from the west bank think again, If Iran is attacked the response will be a GONE For Broke response for all those In it. Syria, Leb, Iran, Israel has for years known and studed the response. But for some crazy reasion there still going to do it. Israel and anyone in the greenzone will pay a massive price, but hey the worlds use to little tiny wars with a bunch of unorgonized milita lol What happens when you attack people who can kill you deader then a door nail and not even have to use ground forces? Becouse its very Unlikely anything sort of SF will ever fight in iran. The bad ass Bravado offten displayed waveing there flag and military in your face, is childish, Isreal knows it is takeing a Massive Gamble in attacking Iran....And IT could back fire in its face and cost the people there lives....But hey guess what? there going to use nuke bunkerbusters, So thats alright thousends of people are going to die in the first few mins of the attack who are not even hit by the exploseion. and will die from the fallout....Again this is not an afganinstan type conflict its about 10 levels above iraq in the 90s....There is So much that can be lost by attacking Iran.....The paper is more of a strategic what IF, Senario.

Ever since 2006 I have heard so call "experts" claim that any day now a war against Iran will start.

Still waiting on that.

Well have you been watching the build up in the last few weeks? Heh Do you really think we'd send that much force just to scare iran

[Farnan]

Well have you been watching the build up in the last few weeks? Heh Do you really think we'd send that much force just to scare iran

What force?

You mean the USS Truman that is there to replace the USS Eisenhower, which is due to rotate out early July?

[Amagi]

@Red_Legged_Devils:Be a little more patient. Will come.

[TheTrainee]

One particular question I have with the article is that it makes the assumption that Syria, Lebanon (Hezbollah), and the Gaza Strip and West Bank will all come to the aid of Iran against Israel. Furthermore, it assumes that the MAD deterrent will break down and we'll see widespread use of biological, chemical, and radiological weapons against Israel, resulting in Israel's nuclear annihilation of those attacking. Is this plausible? I have strong doubts that Iran would be aided so extensively. How strong is the Syria-Iran relationship, anyway? That strong?

[roy34543]

One particular question I have with the article is that it makes the assumption that Syria, Lebanon (Hezbollah), and the Gaza Strip and West Bank will all come to the aid of Iran against Israel. Furthermore, it assumes that the MAD deterrent will break down and we'll see widespread use of biological, chemical, and radiological weapons against Israel, resulting in Israel's nuclear annihilation of those attacking. Is this plausible? I have strong doubts that Iran would be aided so extensively. How strong is the Syria-Iran relationship, anyway? That strong?

They all have lukewarm relations with Iran except hizballah and the lebeneese people are not stupid enough to let themselves be manipulated blatantly for Irans benefit.
As if Gaza and the west bank are stupid enough to want Israel to get nuked or attacked with biological weapons... That would help them a lot!

For the record I didnt even bother reading the article considering half of what the OP ever writes doesnt make sense and the other half is explicitly nonsense.

[Georgy Zhukov]

I didnt read the article, because its likely conspiracy bs that I could waste somewhere else on the internetz

but I did read the disclaimer

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derp

[cenkiss]

First,iran will be blamed of having weapons of mass destruction and being an aggressive and evil and blood-loving country even though they did not attack anyone for decades.Then world will turn against them on USA's wish.Then boom.

[Poet]

I read the article and I must say that was a good one, but I doubt that Hizbollah holds that big quantity of missiles and rockets. As far as start of war is concerned, I am sure Iran would not start war and there are many reasons for this, number they are weak and alone and this would definitely a lose lose condition for them if they start war, secondly they are continuing working on their peaceful nuclear program, Israel and America have objections on it so attack would definitely be launched by them, not by Iran, thirdly, looking at their history, we come to know that they are not as much fond of war as much "peaceful and responsible" states of America and Israel are, so viewing their past track record, I am sure Iran would not start a war but Israel's growing madness over their nuclear program would start war in a result of Israeli attack on their nuclear program. If this happens, this would clearly be a violation of International laws by Israel, but they do not care international laws, the only thing they cared was Hizbollah's ass kicking reaction, so I believe only ass kicking reaction would help Iran against those international goons and terrorists.

[desean]

I have been following some news about Israeli military moves for some time now, seems Israel got military naval passage permissions from Egipt to cross the Suez Channel and Air rights over Saudi Arabia (OMG seriously?). Anyone with a map can make a clear picture of military moves towards Iran.
I wont pretend i know how it will start but if i would guess, i would bet Israel would do a preventive strike against Iran, or.., it will start by some stupid agression by Iran (like those they like to do against US and UK boats near theyr territorial waters or escorting those free-gaza boats) that by all means will be used by Israel to strike if the time is apropriate.

As for who will intervene.. well Israel will probably be on its own, with some key neutralities from neighbor countries, the US will probably secure the Ormus strait with theyr naval forces for safe traveling (oil!), Russia and China will do nothing, and the UN and EU will protest of course (seems its the only things they can do). As for Iran, they will have no doubt the simpaty of its allies (Syria, Hezbollah and Gaza), but for real help, gaza wont be able to do much since they were bombed back to the stone age, and i doubt hezbollah is fully restored, Syria would be the major threat to Israel, but like all of the previous wars between them two, they would probably loose big time, and they know that wich could actually force them to call neutrality, unless they could find themselfs by some miracle in a better position.

As for what Israel plans, no news here, bomb all nuclear and other key facilities, and completly destroy theyr rocket facilities, air and naval forces, i doubt they would even drop troops there except some mossad dudes for cover-ops.

Any of these stuff i just wrote is fantasy, just google it in the news, the plan is already made, only thing that is needed is the proper spark.

[myrmidones]

Probably some international SF guys will get caught while operating to destroy the missile and explosive facilities and then the war will develop arround that situation until a full conflict rises. Oh wait, this is COD xD

[Caelifer_1991]

I still reckon all this is essentially for the purpose of influence and pressure, as opposed to all out war, though it's clearly on the cards and measures have clearly been taken to ensure it stays such, though that applies to both arguments. Either way it's in the hands of the US, Iran given it's position will inevitably (and justifiably) wish to aquire nuclear weapons so as to defend itself from those that would attack it, and the US will naturally use that as a proxy for hostile measures up to and possibly including an invasion - whilst quietly ignoring the fact that it's own (and Israel's) actions are the causes of Iran needing such to ensure their security in the first place.

Either way, though the future can hardly be predicted to much accuracy, it's a fair assumption that the US will wait for Iraq to be more fully stabilised, and for it's forces in Afghanistan to be put into a position in which they may be utilised, through... the very measures they have been pursuing for the last few years (aka building up an Afghan national military that could allow the US to move out into Iran, through fending off the Taliban long enough for the US to not need to worry about them sufficiently in any possible invasion). The coalition forces currently in Afghanistan naturally help this purpose as well, and even if such allies refrain from participation in any invasion of Iran, will still serve a useful purpose to the US in Afghanistan - via the maintenance of a second front on Iran's Eastern border, one that naturally Iran would be unwilling to remove, since that would quite likely provoke a war with US allies, the Afghan army, and would subject it's inevitably stretched forces to resistance by the Taliban.

[garudamon11]

i think iran can win if it started the offensive, they have all the reasons to attack , if iran did a large scale offensive on the americans in afghanistan , iraq and arabic gulf countries america will have a small number of troops , i think iran has the advantage of using shi'ites in iraq to start a rebellion to help the iranian forces to fight , iran can also use "holy war" to make muslim population sympathy iran

[CiviC]

iran can also use "holy war" to make muslim population sympathy iran

You mean the Sunnis will fight so Shiia Iran become the master of Middle East?

Do we already forgot Iran was only able to achieve a stalmate with Iraq in 1980's?

What if Iran got himself a few nukes? All they can do is to kill several millions innocent people (that if they are capable to deliver the charge).

Iran can be easily defeated, but it's very hard to be kept under occupation. US can destroy his offensive capabilities but I would never advise them to go on the ground, only materialy support a change of regime.

[Farnan]

You mean the Sunnis will fight so Shiia Iran become the master of Middle East?
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Especially as Saudi Arabia is Iran's most active enemy.

[Amagi]

Especially as Saudi ArabiaIsrael is Iran's most active enemy.

Fixed that faux pas for you.