The Stainless Steel Names Overhaul Project (SSNOP)

[Fair Prince]

Hey FP,

That table in the first post is a bit wrong. "Aukštaitis", "Žemaitis" and other similar "surnames" are actually by-names, they just use different word form. Lithuanians had surnames(documented ones) only from the mid XV century. I probably should have made that clear, when I gave in those names.

Okay, I'll correct them, even though it doesn't make a difference at all.

[Tan Zhi Han]

Sorry for the late post! I have been busy interviewing for a job... Gahhh.

This was a list of names from my Deciphering the Zodiac mod for ETW. I got really far in the modding process but the lack of a campaign map editor halted the project and made me quit ETW altogether. (Shakes fist ) Anyways, hope you like it.

Excel version is attached. These names were selected as the most popular names from a broad database of historical Mongol names.

[Fair Prince]

Thanks, excellent list, I'll definitely put these names into the 1.0 Final release of this mod.
A rep goes to you as promised!

[Gorrrrrn]

FWIW I'm testing a version of descr_names.txt with no blank lines between lists (except the initial faction / men's names.
with standard SS6.3 I was getting a lot of blank names when spawning random_names for princesses.
I've no idea if removing the blank lines will solve the problem but it doesn't generate any errors in system log after 150 turns.
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bad news is that removing the blank lines doesn't solve the problem with random_names sometimes being blank for spawned princesses.

[knight_12]

Why the Russian names are written with both Latin and Cyrillic letters ?

[Fair Prince]

Why the Russian names are written with both Latin and Cyrillic letters ?

It's a feature of SSNOP and a deliberate choice: I asked the guy who created the list to give some 'Russian flavour' to those names by replacing certain letters of the Latin alphabet with mostly similar Cyrillic ones - and he did a perfect job in my opinion.

A version with full-Cyrillic Russian names is also expected to be released, but that's a new feature I'd like to announce later...

[knight_12]

It's a feature of SSNOP and a deliberate choice: I asked the guy who created the list to give some 'Russian flavour' to those names by replacing certain letters of the Latin alphabet with mostly similar Cyrillic ones - and he did a perfect job in my opinion.

A version with full-Cyrillic Russian names is also expected to be released, but that's a new feature I'd like to announce later...

I get it now. Maybe 'cus I am bulgarian and my alphabet is Cyrillic it's why this looks really strange. Thanks for the answer mate. The full Cyrillic Russian names would be better by my opinion.

[Fair Prince]

I get it now. Maybe 'cus I am bulgarian and my alphabet is Cyrillic it's why this looks really strange. Thanks for the answer mate. The full Cyrillic Russian names would be better by my opinion.

It would be more authentic for sure, but gameplay aspects must also be taken into account in this case, because players who don't know the Cyrillic alphabet (including myself) could not even pronounce names like Мстислав or Владимир.
That's why I chose to use semi-Cyrillic names instead.

[ly0_ly0]

Fair Prince,im getting an ctd using this mod.What nao

[Meneth]

Fair Prince,im getting an ctd using this mod.What nao

Have you put all the files into the correct folders?
Have you started a new campaign? SSNOP breaks save-games.

[ly0_ly0]

Hmm i installed it right after i started a new camp....Sorry for the trouble.And if i may ask does this mod fix the 51 turn bug?

[Meneth]

Hmm... I think the turn 51 CTD is present in SSNOP.
Delete the bulgarian uprising in your campaign script to fix it.

[ly0_ly0]

Ok tnx Meneth

[Medkirtys]

I spotted that Lithuanian surnames start with iš. While that is correct, in medieval times it was uncommon, and "nuo" (meaning the same "from") was more common and correct

[Fair Prince]

Hmm... I think the turn 51 CTD is present in SSNOP.
Delete the bulgarian uprising in your campaign script to fix it.

SSNOP doesn't include the campaign_script.txt, so campaign events like that has nothing to do with it.

I spotted that Lithuanian surnames start with iš. While that is correct, in medieval times it was uncommon, and "nuo" (meaning the same "from") was more common and correct

Okay, thanks mate, I'll contact you in pm to discuss a possible update to the Lithuanian names.

[Meneth]

SSNOP doesn't include the campaign_script.txt, so campaign events like that has nothing to do with it.

The crash is caused by names missing from the name database.
SSNOP doesn't contain the name "of_Bulgaria", so it crashes when Peter of Bulgaria gets spawned.

[Fair Prince]

The crash is caused by names missing from the name database.
SSNOP doesn't contain the name "of_Bulgaria", so it crashes when Peter of Bulgaria gets spawned.

Well, you're right, there are some names in the campaign script too - looks like I'll have to check them as well before the final release.

[Medkirtys]

I'll upload it when i'll wake up or get back home

[Fair Prince]

I'll upload it when i'll wake up or get back home

Great, I'm looking forward to receive it!

[Black Knight]

Concerning Portuguse names, here are the changes present in the file I submited, based on my own files.

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First names added: Aires, Antão, Belchior, Brites, Cosme, Elvira, Fadrique, Gerónimo, Guterre, Inácio, Lopo, Maior (woman), Mécia, Mendo, Ouroana, Paio, Soeiro, Susana, Simão.
Surnames added: Botelho, Cardoso, Carneiro, Guterres, de Abreu, de Aguiar, Távora, da Silveira, da Rocha, Peculiar, Pinheiro, Meireles, de Guimarães, de Vasconcelos.

I removed André and Duarte from surnames, since having people named André André would be awkward. I did the same for Antão since I added it to first names.

I also took the liberty of moving Dinis from surnames to first names where it should be.

Now some changes I propose - I would welcome the opinions of the previous colaborators and anyone who is interested:

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Written language during the Middle Ages was very confuse, to say the least - more like and headache to anyone trying to make sense of it - so things naturally changed a lot in the written form throughout the continent; but even so, Portuguese has been subject to a remarkable number of changes. To ilustrate, just this past decade there was a major ortographical agreement. People's names have reflected this; for example, until the early 17th century surnames had a bigger resemblance to Catalan - with a -ez termination instead of -es (Nunes was Nunez, etc) or the double "l" being commomplace.

I think the game should reflect this, if we aim at historical accuracy. Within a limit of course, since we have to take in consideration there wasn't a definite gramatical rule at the time (António is seen in the records as Amtonio, Amtonyo, Anthonio, Antonyo...); changing João to Joham would be to radical perhaps, but we could start by changing ortography which was in use at the time and only changed recently when some ground rules where already at place, like Manuel to Manoel or -is terminations to -es (eg Góis->Goes, Pais->Paes).

Apart from that, we need to review the accents: "Nicoláu", "Pêro", "Téles" and "Éva" didn't have them, I'm quite sure.

I see one of the contributors added "Vera", which is a name of Russian origin that was only introduced in the Portuguese language around the 19th century (don't confuse with the Latin "vera", which was part of some religious themed surnames like Vera Cruz). So that should go, I think. Also Magda wasn't in use, maybe as a "familiar" short for Magdalena, yes, but not officialy.

I also think, though I'm not so sure, that Viriato was a 18th century revival, and Xavier was only introduced around the 1550s, after Francis Xavier.