The Stainless Steel Names Overhaul Project (SSNOP)

[Fair Prince]

Revised list of the Khwarazmshahian names.
I used hyphen for some of the names, but I don't know if that's okay? So tell me if it's not so I can correct them.

Well done, excellent job, the Persian name list is now fully completed - and never mind the hyphens, I've already corrected them.
Thanks for your contribution once again, the rep goes immediately.

[Principe Alessandro]

Here the completed list of names and surenames for the italian factions.

I'll add more and more names as I'll have some free time. yes

Bye

[Fair Prince]

Good job, Alessandro! I'll mark the list as completed, and the rep goes too as promised.

[MehemtAli_Pasha]

here is my list. i just want to add a slight note. every last name that begins with the word "Ibn" should only be entitled to males because they mean "son of..". if i have more time, i will edit some more last names to this list, as half of them are applicable on men only.

[strife1013]

This looks amazing! Can't wait till it is released!

[VINC.XXIII]

I hope that the Sicilian Vespers will adopt your work!!

[caralampio]

Just a suggestion regarding the Papal states names- don't use the versions with numerals (i.e. Gregorius IX) but just the plain names (Gregorius). In fact, the papal names as they are, are perfect IMO, and need no changing, although you might want to work on surnames and such for other characters of the faction. Surnames for generals, spies, etc. should be Italian, not Latin.

Also, I suggest using the old 6.1 papal name list in descr_names.
In 6.3 we have:

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Alexander
Anastasius
Benedictus
Bonifacius
Callistus
Clemens
Coelestinus
Eugenius
Gelasius
Gregorius
Hadrianus
Honorius
Innocentius
Ioannes
Iulius
Leo
Lucius
Martinus
Nicolaus
Paschalis
Paulus
Pius
Urbanus
Victor
Xystus

Which seems to the casual observer like a nice clean list without repetitions, but it should be

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Alexander
Alexander
Alexander
Anastasius
Benedictus
Benedictus
Bonifacius
Bonifacius
Callistus
Callistus
Clemens
Clemens
Clemens
Clemens
Clemens
Coelestinus
Coelestinus
Coelestinus
Coelestinus
Eugenius
Eugenius
Eugenius
Gelasius
Gregorius
Gregorius
Gregorius
Gregorius
Gregorius
Gregorius
Hadrianus
Hadrianus
Hadrianus
Honorius
Honorius
Honorius
Innocentius
Innocentius
Innocentius
Innocentius
Innocentius
Innocentius
Innocentius
Ioannes
Ioannes
Iulius
Leo
Lucius
Lucius
Martinus
Martinus
Martinus
Nicolaus
Nicolaus
Nicolaus
Paschalis
Paulus
Paulus
Pius
Pius
Urbanus
Urbanus
Urbanus
Urbanus
Urbanus
Victor
Sixtus

because it represents the probability of a given Papal name being used in the period covered in the game. That is, historically there were a lot of Gregorys and Innocents in the period, but just one Julius and just one Leo.

In fact, if you want a well rounded-out names mod you should take this into account for all factions. Common names such as Edward or Mary (for England) should appear repeatedly in the descr_names lists, because there should be many more people called Mary and Edward than say, Linota or Aubrey. Each project manager should be able to tell you which names are common in that language.

PS: Personal peeve. Add Charles to the England boys list. How come there isn't a Charles therein? Edit: Oh, I just saw it in the preview. Great work.

[Fair Prince]

@Rus-Bey
Well, the mod will be free to use for everyone, so it only depends on them.

@Caralampio
Don't worry about that mate, I'm well aware of the problems with the numerals and there won't be a single one in this mod.
As for the Papal names, I added many historical ones to the list and will also use duplicates, so it should be enough for them I guess. Regarding the other factions, I'll look to use duplicates where possible, though not all nations will have them in the first release - that's gonna be a task for later versions.
Thanks for your suggestions, and have rep for them!

[nuel92]

Attachment 109572

Done!

[Fair Prince]

Great, many thanks nuel, at last the Turkish list is completed too.
Another rep is yours for that, you deserved it!

[MehemtAli_Pasha]

Final Draft!! it cant get any better than this.

good luck Fair Prince.

[Fair Prince]

Final Draft!! it cant get any better than this.

good luck Fair Prince.

Magnificent work Pasha, it surely can't get any better.
Thanks for all your effort you've put into this project, and have another deserved rep for that!

@Fair Prince:
Want me to re-do the Norwegian list so that common names have more entries than uncommon names?

Sure, if you have some spare time for that.
I'll upload your Norwegian list into first post, please use that file for editing.

[Meneth]

Sure, if you have some spare time for that.
I'll upload your Norwegian list into first post, please use that file for editing.

I'm already done
I used the last file I uploaded as the base.
The frequency list is on the second sheet of the spreadsheet.
Paste-friendly version on sheet 3.

[Meneth]

@Fair Prince:
Want me to re-do the Norwegian list so that common names have more entries than uncommon names?

[Meneth]

A note: it will almost certainly break your save-games, since many entries have been removed.

[Fair Prince]

A note: it will almost certainly break your save-games, since many entries have been removed.

Yep, that's why I said a new campaign start is required.
Unfortunately, due to the name files' heavy dependence on descr_strat, future versions are also likely to be incompatible with save-games.

[Meneth]

Yep, that's why I said a new campaign start is required.
Unfortunately, due to the name files' heavy dependence on descr_strat, future versions are also likely to be incompatible with save-games.

Didn't see that, sorry.
Found one problem, though: it doesn't seem to apply properly. For it to apply properly, the maps.rwn file has to be deleted, or overwritten. Also, I found a few errors when testing the version I'm going to use in the Compilation.
File with corrected descr_strat, and a Late descr_strat attached. Maps.rwn included (put in data\campaign\<campaign>\base)

[Fair Prince]

Strange, during my testing there wasn't any problem with the map file.
I won't like to include it as I'd prefer to keep the mod as simple as possible, but if there's no choice then I'll do that of course.

Anyway, thanks for the late campaign files - would it be possible to include these updated descr_strat files in your fixes? That way I won't have to include them in this mod, which would significantly improve its compatibility.

[Meneth]

Strange, during my testing there wasn't any problem with the map file.
I won't like to include it as I'd prefer to keep the mod as simple as possible, but if there's no choice then I'll do that of course.

Anyway, thanks for the late campaign files - would it be possible to include these updated descr_strat files in your fixes? That way I won't have to include them in this mod, which would significantly improve its compatibility.

Without the name changes, it'll crash on launch with the modified descr_strat files. It would be possible to include the whole of SSNOP, though. I'll discuss it with Bane.

[Shadow_LT]

Hey FP,

That table in the first post is a bit wrong. "Aukštaitis", "Žemaitis" and other similar "surnames" are actually by-names, they just use different word form. Lithuanians had surnames(documented ones) only from the mid XV century. I probably should have made that clear, when I gave in those names.