What scale is TLK aimed at?

[smoesville]

Is it meant to be played at normal or small or huge? I usually go for huge when i play SS or XGM, just because it's more realistic but i looked into it and most battles were small in Dark Age/Viking times with a boatload being around 60-70 men i think this gives a good arguement that regiments should be around that?

[GatorMarine1833]

Subjective really, I would say small since most battles of this period featured relatively few men. For an army to have 2000 people or more was a lot for the time.

[Glabro]

But small units don't really make much historical sense, do they?
They're too small to be independent units.

[smoesville]

What's the size of a small unit? 70 men? It's been so long that i can't remember. Their not really too small. If for instance we take Vikings as the example then each boat would have around 70 men. Each boat would be largely independant except for oaths of loyalty and kinship. Each captain and crew decided where they were going to raid and only banded up with larger armies when called upon.

[redxavier]

For the Norse factions I would imagine that unit sizes are around 30-40 men, on the basis that a 60-70 boat crew would (realistically speaking) have some spearmen and some swordsmen and not be all of one type. In contrast, fyrd-type units would be more like 100 men, as they are levy troops rather than enthusiasts.

Personally, I'm going to go for whatever helps the AI and pathfinding most. Not much point in having 100 guys in a unit if only the first 2 ranks are fighting and the rest are slowly stepping back.

[GatorMarine1833]

Different units are balanced not only by armor and weapon stats, but also by unit sizes.

A unit of Huskarls may have only 40 or 50 guys while a unit of the Fyrd may have like 70 on small unit scale.

[smoesville]

I reckon small it is. It'll be nice to have an accurate feel to the battle sizes for once; 2000 men does not accurately reflect the main army of Rome or the combined Greek city states whereas in sparse old Britain and Ireland to have more then that would be ridiculous even for the large battles like Clontarf. The only thing that might be odd is the small size of Frankish forces but since i'm going to be Irish i'm not going to let it worry me

[redxavier]

Were Frankish armies at this time much larger? Even in 1066, William had to supplement his Normans with Bretons and other French, and his force was more or less equal to the one that Harold fought with at Hastings (which was not the full force he could have mustered).

[smoesville]

I don't know really, i just assume they would be larger since they have a larger area to draw from? As to William the bastard; he didn't represent the whole of the East Franks, as far as i know Normandy was a vassal? If i'm wrong let me know.

[redxavier]

No, you're not wrong, William was technically a vassal of the King of France (though by all accounts he seems to have a fairly free reign to do as he pleased). My point was that even the martial Normans and a good deal of Northern France mobilised their force was around equal to the Saxons who mustered in England's southern shires, and this was about 200 years after the time period of this mod. So by extrapolation the various Frankish armies need not be much larger than those of the Saxons in the 9th Century. Granted, there's the element that since the Saxons were divided into competing kingdoms, they were more limited in what numbers could be mustered in a single army.

[MagUidir]

im re-reading the books and i know that this mod isnt based off of those but it seems that the small unit size is more accurate... givin that the books are historical fiction.. they give quite a bit of info that's pretty accurate for the time periond... cant wait to play this... its gna be epic.. mark my words.. the skill and dedication this team has brought to this mods will take it above the rest! plz guys (team) let us test it!

[smoesville]

I was just wondering; is it possible to limit how many units can fit on a ship? For instance if i have 1 dragon boat i can fit 3 units but if i have more i would need more ships? Is there an easy way to do this or is it even possible?

[redxavier]

I dimly recall this being discussed somewhere, perhaps for another mod, but the answer wasn't positive.

[smoesville]

I know it's possible to stop horses or any unit for that matter from boarding a ship, something which i'm in favor of to be honest, i think i might just limit myself to something similar when i play

[danova]

Yes, redxavier is right. we can't make this unfortunately.
I realy wanted to do thet...
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[born2dive67]

Yes, redxavier is right. we can't make this unfortunately.
I realy wanted to do thet...
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I heard the same unable to limit how many per ship, unless game is set up for it to be a house rule of how many you should technically take onto a ship

[smoesville]

Is there any plans to make an all faction horde ability? I think this would be good especially for the Vikings since then it'll be nearly impossible to kill them Of course if you do that then there are certain issues with making the horde attack new lands and such.

[Csatádi]

Is there any plans to make an all faction horde ability? I think this would be good especially for the Vikings since then it'll be nearly impossible to kill them Of course if you do that then there are certain issues with making the horde attack new lands and such.

I can imagine only the normans as a horde.

[Filo90]

sorry if I post on this thread after months but is there an answer?

is TLK aimed at small scale armies?

[MagUidir]

i think that its al lil late to implement something like that now but later versions that isnt a bad idea if the mod gurus here decide to.