Unrest in france enters 8th day

[bigfootedfred]

as this has now spread outside of paris, into other regions, i thought a nice fresh thread would be more benefical.

after 8 days

the rioting IS STILL GOING.

link

Paris - About 1,300 police officers tried to restore order in the ghetto suburbs of Paris early Friday, as youth gangs continued their eighth consecutive night of unrest.

Early Friday, 165 cars were ablaze in some Paris suburbs, authorities said. Youths shot at a police car, threw Molotov cocktails and battered buses with stones.

Five police officers were slightly injured by stones and several people were arrested, authorities said. Acts of arson were also reported in the city of Dijon, southeast of Paris, as well as in the northeast and south of the country.

In Aulnay-sous-Bois, a large carpet warehouse was ablaze early Friday. Local officials from the greater Seine-Saint-Denis area said it was unclear if the fire was linked to the ongoing unrest. However, witnesses said they saw a group of youths breaking into the warehouse shortly before the blaze began.

Late Thursday, French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin appeared determined to stem the unrest that have continued for more than a week.

'The priority is to restore order. We will not tolerate these outbursts of violence but we will also conduct a dialogue to find solutions,' said de Villepin, a conservative.

Despite the widespread mayhem, officials said Thursday night's violence and destruction was not as bad as the night before. On Wednesday night, more than 300 cars were torched in the outskirts of the French capital.

Riots erupted October 27 after two youths, aged 15 and 17, were electrocuted in Clichy-sous-Bois after seeking refuge in an electrical relay station because they thought police were pursuing them.

woah...france is having some real touble here i think.
the riots have been concentrated in "immigrant" areas.
the question i suppose is,
are we all sitting on a "immigrant bomb"?

[Major König]

I say we are. We never know when something like this can happen. It may happen anywhere! It is a result of anger and culture shock I say. Sad for France, they had to show the world. ANd the worst part: It cannot be quelled without violence.

[RZZZA]

Wow...well I think this can be compared to America's L.A. riots of the 90's?

"Riots erupted October 27 after two youths, aged 15 and 17, were electrocuted in Clichy-sous-Bois after seeking refuge in an electrical relay station because they thought police were pursuing them. "

What is the reason for these riots? Why is it happening? I find it hard to believe so much unrest can spring up from 2 boys being electrecueted. Are the unrests racial or political in nature? What are the rioters demanding?

[bigfootedfred]

Wow...well I think this can be compared to America's L.A. riots of the 90's?

my thoughts exactly

"Riots erupted October 27 after two youths, aged 15 and 17, were electrocuted in Clichy-sous-Bois after seeking refuge in an electrical relay station because they thought police were pursuing them. "

What is the reason for these riots? Why is it happening? I find it hard to believe so much unrest can spring up from 2 boys being electrecueted. Are the unrests racial or political in nature? What are the rioters demanding?

thats the thing...they arent asking for anyhting. its all based in areas where immigrants live, but nothing has been demanded as far as i know...there just rioting
cars are getting tourched, police getting shot up, bombs going off.
its already spread to diffrent areas of the country...

[RZZZA]

Wow....so it seems racism DOES exist in places other than America

What race/nationality/ethnicity do most of the rioters appear to be?

[bigfootedfred]

Wow....so it seems racism DOES exist in places other than America

What race/nationality/ethnicity do most of the rioters appear to be?

i was really hoping not to mention it, because of what it would mean.

but i have to, in the interest of the truth

The violence, which has engulfed a dozen towns around the capital in the past week, was triggered by the deaths of two teenagers of African origin.

Minister for Social Cohesion Jean-Louis Borloo said the government had to react "firmly", but added that France must also acknowledge its failure to deal with anger simmering in poor suburbs for decades.

Muslim leaders have urged politicians to show respect for immigrant communities.

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the French Council for the Muslim Religion, said people in the suburbs "must be given the conditions to live with dignity as human beings", not in "disgraceful squats".

from the BBC
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i think you can tell who the large majorty of them are now....

[Empyrean]

At what point does rioting become civil war? Just wondering.

[RZZZA]

Yeah well I don't know the actual percentages but I would be very curious to see them from a reliable source. Are you actually saying Americas muslim population is 1% and Frances is 10%?

America has seen NO muslim unrest of any kind since 9/11, and the 9/11 muslims werent Americans so its safe to say the muslim americans are generally a content group of people. As for France, I dunno.

[wilpuri]

Yeah well I don't know the actual percentages but I would be very curious to see them from a reliable source. Are you actually saying Americas muslim population is 1% and Frances is 10%?

America has seen NO muslim unrest of any kind since 9/11, and the 9/11 muslims werent Americans so its safe to say the muslim americans are generally a content group of people. As for France, I dunno.

I'm sure it also has to do with what kind of people America let's in, and what the motivation of those people to enter America is.

[bigfootedfred]

oh ffs I KNEW IT

the bastard racists are jumping on this ALREADY

The catalogue of violence by the mainly Muslim gangs demonstrates the folly of allowing a flood of inassimilable migrants into the heart of western cities.

link - the bastard BNP

no mention of the terrible treatment most of them get by the french goverment, no mention of the provcation for the last two years

for god sake people dont listen this crap.
please

[wilpuri]

oh ffs I KNEW IT

the bastard racists are jumping on this ALREADY



link - the bastard BNP

for god sake people dont listen this crap.
please

I agree with them. I still wouldn't consider myself racist, more of a realist.

[RZZZA]

Yeah, after the 90's riots I daresay the American public and government has been more tolerant of other cultures/races/religions but NOT other peoples sexual lifestyle choices for some odd reason...that is the only persecution Americans have perpetrated that we had unrest about since a very tiny minority of blacks in L.A. rioted in the 90's (dont remember what date specifically and too lazy to look it up)...

[bigfootedfred]

I agree with them. I still wouldn't consider myself racist, more of a realist.

there idea of "the immigrant bomb" is stil fundemntally flawed.

france, has been mis-treating its muslim population for some time now, first banning headscaves, comments form head officals calling thosse living in the mainly muslim regions "scum"

its bassicly now boiling over.
and i knew these racist :wub:s would use this to "prove" their point, and people will agree with them, because thats how it seems.
but it isnt, a quick background search shows you the real reasons why this is happening.

people will look at what the "BNP" are saying, and start worrying about here.
sooner or later they will gain real power, and that scares the shite out of me (and im a white male).
if there are race riots here, it will becuase of people like them, captilsing on the problems of others to win people over.
dear god i hate them.

[Ubu Roi]

Yeah well I don't know the actual percentages but I would be very curious to see them from a reliable source. Are you actually saying Americas muslim population is 1% and Frances is 10%?

Just checked. 10% in France, 5% in Europe and between 0.4 and 1% in the US. I was very close

America has seen NO muslim unrest of any kind since 9/11, and the 9/11 muslims werent Americans so its safe to say the muslim americans are generally a content group of people. As for France, I dunno.

This is irrelevant. The muslim are very few and scattered in the US therefore you could steal everything they have, deny them every rights you can there would be no big muslim riot in the US.

In France:
1) Cities must have a certain proportion of low rent appartment in order to mix population of immigrants with others. See that in the US?
2) Education is very cheap compared to the US therefore immigrant can climb the social ladder easier.
3) Free health care for all
4) School and other structures receive more funds from the governement than rich ones. In the US each area finances its own schools, etc. (therefore poor areas have poor schools)

And they still riot!

You could give them all luxury houses they would still burn them!

it would be fine and dandy to use it, had not all muslim clerics in every mosque of the area constantly urged for the trouble to cease for the past week

Religion is all about clerics? People say the same thing in small groups and in front of the TV or officials? Well that is new

in other words, this is a gigantic straw man. Trying to stigmatize a whole religious (or ethnical) community for the current events, besides being a proof of intellectual dishonesty, is unconstitutional ,and those who resort to it are ironically among the most guilty of "Unfrenchness" in the whole affair.

Sorry not a french board. Let it go

[First Crusader]

Aulnay-sous-Bois- Police resorted to using rubber bullets on Tuesday evening on gangs of missile throwing rioters. 15 cars set ablaze. Molotov cocktails thrown at a municipal buildings including a fire station and annex to the town hall.

Bondy - Four people were arrested for throwing missiles at police. Firefighters called out to deal with 14 burning cars and a carpet store on Tuesday.

Clichy-sous-Bois- Monday saw a fifth night of violence with “scores” of cars set ablaze.

Hauts-de-Seine- Mobile gangs were setting fires to waste bins and vehicles.

Seine-et-Marne- Sporadic attacks by mobile gangs on police, some vehicles set ablaze.

Sevran - The mayor of Sevran said youths set two rooms of a primary school on fire, and attacked several cars. Police said three officers were slightly injured in attacks on Monday.

Val-d'Oise- Throughout Tuesday mobile gangs were said to be setting fires to waste bins and vehicles.

Yvelines- Sporadic attacks by mobile gangs on police.

Sedan in north eastern France saw a night of violence, apparently unrelated to the Paris incidents but apparently in response to police arrests of a member of a drugs gang youths set fire to an empty building and trash cans and stoned fire trucks in several nights of unrest in Sedan, northeastern France, authorities there said Tuesday.

So, when rioters use violence, they're "oppressed". When police defend themselves with tear gas, they're "oppressors"

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=602

[Francisco Montana]

2 Paris Rioting threads?

[RZZZA]

Wow, this is the damndest thing Ive seen in a long time. These rioters dont seem to be hurting many people, do they? Theyre driving around and setting things ablaze to maybe bring attention to their cause, whatever it might be? In America if this would have happened, I bet you the rioters wouldnt be arsonists. They would all have firearms and many people would probably get shot.

[First Crusader]

Wow, this is the damndest thing Ive seen in a long time. These rioters dont seem to be hurting many people, do they? Theyre driving around and setting things ablaze to maybe bring attention to their cause, whatever it might be? In America if this would have happened, I bet you the rioters wouldnt be arsonists. They would all have firearms and many people would probably get shot.

I doubt it. Just look at the riots that happened during our last presidential election. Nobody "got shot".

Even during the race riots of the sixties, I don't think very many people got shot.

Gunfire doesn't cause most of the injuries/deaths in a riot, unless the police/army decide to use it, which is extremely unlikely.

To say that these rioters aren't hurting anyone, I believe to be wrong. People invariably get hurt or even killed in these "demonstrations".

[RZZZA]

Uh, people rioted during the last election? Really?

And the race riots of the 60's are a special case, Martin Luther King specifically endorsed non violent resistance. Not every riot and uprising in America had the benefit of having a man like Dr. King on their side. Look at the race riots in L.A., very violent and people were packing. The fact is, its easier for the average joe to get a gun in America than it is in France or Britian. And America has large groups of outlaws who use guns or participate in the arms trade...like the italian mafia families, or the Bloods, or the Crips, or any other small black or latino gang, or the chinese mafia, or some weirdo neo-nazi group....the list goes on and on and on....at least these groups are staying relatively quiet recently but that doesnt mean theyve ceased their activity within the U.S.

[First Crusader]

Uh, people rioted during the last election? Really?

Yeah. The cops had to use rubber bullets and everything. They were nothing compared to these Paris riots, but they still qualified as riots.

And the race riots of the 60's are a special case, Martin Luther King specifically endorsed non violent resistance. Not every riot and uprising in America had the benefit of having a man like Dr. King on their side. Look at the race riots in L.A., very violent and people were packing. The fact is, its easier for the average joe to get a gun in America than it is in France or Britian. And America has large groups of outlaws who use guns or participate in the arms trade...like the italian mafia families, or the Bloods, or the Crips, or any other small black or latino gang, or the chinese mafia, or some weirdo neo-nazi group....the list goes on and on and on....at least these groups are staying relatively quiet recently but that doesnt mean theyve ceased their activity within the U.S.

Yes, but the crooks in France and Britain are just as well armed as the American ones.

Please, lets not turn this into yet another gun control thread.