Britain: A puppet state
A growing number of us "brits" simply feel like we are nothing more than "US property"
when they say jump, we go.
US tells us to extridate someone to them, and we do.
we do everyhting they tell us to do.
wouldnt suprise me if the army started swearing allegence the US president sooner or later.
how did this happen?
how did we become nothing more that a puppet nation
with bushes hand up our backside
and more importantly,
how do we fight back?
Primicerius
Um, are you kidding? If anything, Britain is less and less of a puppet of America, if it ever was one. Britain and America are extremely close allies, and have been for a while. (ex: Britain in Iraq, US supply8ing intelligence during the Falkands War)
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what...Originally Posted by Trey
you never heard the term "the 51st state?"
we feel like a puppet, and this country sure as hell acts like one.
Gruffles
It sounds like a personal issue than anything remotely resembling reality. I think Blair has taken W by the ear a couple of times on an issue. And I usually think it is well deserved. By the way, were you aware that the largest foreign invester in the United States is Great Britain? Maybe they are just hedging their bets. I know I would, err do.we are nothing more than "US property"
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I plan on moving to Britain in 5 years. You can come to your own conclusions about my views on that great country.
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The term "the 51st" state has been used referring to many countries....its been used to reference Canada and Cuba as well as puerto rico...its been used in reference to sicily even, back when the sicilians wanted to annex themselves to the U.S. government.
Trust me, I think Britain is quite safe from ever becoming U.S. property. People in the U.S. still look at Britain as if it were still an empire and look to London with awe and respect...Americans really love the British, it's true...
Podesta'
I have heard that term, many a time. However, it usually refers to Puerto Rico.
not around here it dosent.
and you guys may "love brits"
but no one i know likes your country very much.
Gruffles
Maybe you need to stop circulating over and over in the same socialistic circles in life and meet some more people.
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Podesta'
Sounds like sour grapes mixed with pop culture. After all, the U.S. is the Great Satan, now isn't it?
And of course your opinion and the 'people you know' is representative of all of Britain.
Thats like me saying that all Americans, you know roughly 300,000,000 people, hate all French or Chinese or English.
Making stupid statements that are supposed to represent millions of people is just silly.
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Civitate
That usually refers to Canada here in the USWhy do you view yourself as puppets if your goverment simply happens to agree with the US on alot (not all) international issues? I mean really what is the big deal? We've been close allies for so long now, we do have common/shared interest. Are we that jaded now that any time a country agrees with the US they have to be a puppet? Hear the same thing with Australia...ever consider the fact our goverments simply agree on specific issues and its nothing more then that? More importantly if you dont like it simply vote your way out of it.
ok.
we could vote for the torys....who would be exactly the same.
or the lib dems, who no one will vote for anyway. (they announced they would increase tax if they came to power)
or, communists, racists, or freaky ecologists
who would you vote for?
Civitate
Im not a Brit so I cant comment nor do I really care
No reason for the US to 'kiss ass' as you stated, relationship between France/Germany and US are a result of the leaders of all 3 its not soley the blame of Bush and its clear that any improvement in that relentionship will require new leaders in those countries. Germany has made that move, we'll make that move in 3 years and who knows with the French.I just think America should kiss a bit of ass now, I don't know why the "efficient CEO administration" of George W. Bush doesnt do diplomacy and foreign relations better...its so important you'd think it'd be a first priority.
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You realize that's his point? W/e America does you follow even if the public doesn't like (not sure of britains views with the war). In truth I agree you are kinda America's *****. Wellcome to Canada's excistence lol. Don't worry it's natural you controlled america a ..200 years ago now they (indirectly) control alot of your actions. Look there the worlds superpower there gonna control alot of more ''minor'' nations under the viel of ''allaince''. While in truth look how mcuh of ''allies'' america and Canada are. We made the avro jet fastest jet in excistence (60's I belive). They told us outright with no reason destroy our jets (or else nudge nudge) and we did. Now your in our boatdoesn't matter though America's days are numberd. That's the way for fight back wait for em to die! Oh and elect a more anti american party
EDIT: This is to something I read ''america loves the british'' I belive the 4th post.. Now because Canada is a large minority in NA we have alot of either American ideas, American resentment, or we know every singile thing about them. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt America DOES NOT like Britain, at least not the vast majority the inteleucals do. However most Americans are ignorant and ..dumb so they hate certain nations for no reason I.E Canada and Britain
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Britain does everything the U.S. asks because Britian is a wonderful ally. Seriously, Americans love the British, we have no closer ally in Europe or anywhere else (except maybe Canada). First we fought and were bitter enemies...but after WWII Americans and Brits really started to cozy up to eachother, didn't we? Its not surprising...we share so much, and America really does owe most everything we have to our parents in Britian. I don't think i'm exagerating or embelishing when I say that America really likes the U.K. and considers them our most trusted and valuable ally. I dont doubt that if the british were to ask us to extradite someone or do something for them we would also come running, and if we don't, shame on us because we definetly should.
Tiro
seriously, i love brits, and i dont think the british army will be pledging alliegence to the President of the United States anytime soon. Even when we learn about the american revolution, i dont find myself saying "Those british ********!" its usually more of a "Haha, England, what have you gotten yourself into this time." Feeling.
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So to be a wonderful ally, you have to do everything the U.S asks? Thats not an alliance. An alliance is a partnership, where parties can refuse each others requests from time to time and disagree on certain issues but still remain united.
What you've described is a puppet regieme, more suited to Latin American dictatorships in the 70's: The U.S says jump, they say how high?
How about Australia? We've stuck by you guys forever, despite a large protion of the populace hating your guts. Ever heard of ANZUS, the Austalian, New Zealand, United States Treaty of cooperation?
Sorry, thats just not true. The US does not share the same sense of cooperation towards its allies as they do towards it. We've been trying to negotiate a free trade agreement with you guys for over a year now and we are meeting stiff resistance. Your negotiators dont like the idea of having to give up some concessions when it comes to importing some Australian products, regardless of the fact that we've done the same for you. There are a host of sticking points on the agreement which amount to the US wanting its own way completely and not willing to compramise at all.
Im gald to see that your two countries have gotten over their differences and have maintained a stron alliance for over 100 years. However, it does raise the issue that if you are able to remain friends with the empire that once ruled you and fought you, how come you are unable to maintain alliances with countries that supported you in your fight for independence, say, oh I dont know... France?
Compared to the tiff the US and the UK had 200 years ago, Frances objections to a blatantly stupid war 2 years ago seems like a real stupid thing to get angry over. Why couldn't accept the opinion of one of your oldest (if not the oldest) allies without getting huffy and all "with us or against us!".
I mean really, that sort of attitude towards alliances is not going to see them survive for long, no matter how long they've existed. What happens in few years time if a new UK government comes to power and suddenly decides that Britain isnt going to be the US lap-dog. Will the US respect that decision as a choice amongst friends or will it do to the UK what it did to France and a host of other long time allies?
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Zoidberg you bring up some excellent points and I agree with you on a lot of them, but you are mostly just talking about American government policy and I'll be the first to say that American politicians do a LOT of bad things to F things up immensely, and as an American citizen I apologize on their behalf. You must realize that this Bush regime is not only provoking hatred amongst longterm allies such as britian (Who have stuck by us through thick and thin, through all our idiocy and warmongering) but also from millions of people right here in the U.S.A. You must remember that about 50% of America also dislikes Bush and hate what he's done diplomatically over the last few years. Please don't misunderstand me, when I say that Americans love the British I do not mean that American foreign policy is always kind to the british. I'm not taking government policy into account here because I KNOW that Americans have done some crooked things with it. I'm simply referring to the everyday Americans friendliness to the everyday average Brit. From one country to another, I'm just saying that we (america) has great respect for the British people and what they have accomplished. Americans tend to remember glorious and heart wrenching scenes in history like WWII when British and Americans fought side by side...and now we look today and Americans and Brits are still fighting side by side. Americans may turn a blind eye to difficult international politics but fighting side by side for 60+ years is NOT something most of us turn a blind eye to.
I'm not aware of the apparent british plight to overthrow their american masters....but I bet that if the people who feel this way made more noise and this issue was brought to the world in the mainstream via T.V. many, many Americans would identify with the British problem and side with the british, and call for Americans to let up on its tight control in your corner of the world. I think the way things work in america at least is that...we propel certain bastards to power, they run amok doing as they wish, and when they go too far and people cry out for this or that...the people in power bend a bit and usually give into the public opinion. The problem is most issues never get so far as to be discussed on T.V. so the general American public never gets to voice their distaste. If Americans are pissing you off in the U.K. the best possible way to rally people to your side is to bring your complaints into the mass media somehow. Let your issue be discussed by Chris Mathews, or Bill Maher, or John Stewart, or whoever else...Tucker Carlson or someone....its exposure for your cause.
I agree that most americans forget just how much the French have done for us...but again, it was a different time. Back then you (the british) were our bitter enemies and the french were our trusted allies....things change obviously in some respect.
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