Is this what you want?

[First Crusader]

One reason why I don't like the feminists' view on women in the military is that they seem to have the impression that this is some sort of game. They don't realize the consequences of war. I doubt their female audiences would be so eager to sign up.

Some argue that, should combat slots be open to women, women may be subjected to the draft. The male only draft was considered to be constitutional in 1981 in the Rockster V Goldberg case, largely because the draft was viewed as a way to fill combat slots -- slots from which women were barred.

Without a doubt, there is a much greater probability for acts of sexual molestation and rape with the addition of women to the front lines. The "front lines" in modern combat, however, are fluid. Although they were technically in support roles, two female U.S. soldiers were taken captive and one was sexually abused by the Iqaqis in the Gulf War. This situation made those who were already skeptical about putting women in such a compromising position further question whether women should be subjected to the horrors of combat

Kind of ruins the romantic picture of glorious battle that the feminists have been painting.

Many, however, argue that adult women who make the decision to join the military are aware of the consequences

http://www.cdi.org/issues/women/combat.html

Not true. Women are assured that they won't see combat, like Jessica Lynch. Wow, they sure did a good job of keeping THAT promise.


My question: Why do feminists want women in the military? Its not fun, its not glorious, and its not fun.

There were three women in Lynch's convoy. One joined to learn how to cook, one was a single mother in it for the pay, and Lynch was in it for the education so she could be a kindergarden teacher.

I say its time feminists and army recruiters stop lying to these girls.

[Atheist Peace]

Women should be more heavily recruited, it's sexist towards both men and women if the ratio is so slanted. And if there ever is another draft, they damn well better take exactly as many females as males.

[Mack Daddy]

I agree athiest, how humiliating would it be for a soldier who lives in a male dominated country, to be taken prisoner by a half female army. I think they underestimate the strengths of a woman holding a gun which might be an advantage to us.

[Nerwen Carnesîr]

Women should be more heavily recruited, it's sexist towards both men and women if the ratio is so slanted. And if there ever is another draft, they damn well better take exactly as many females as males.

I agree. Personally, I would have no problem doing all the things RZZZA mentioned and more. I'm no stranger to firearms anyhow.

[Emperor Dimitricus]

screw sending the US army to find bin laden and the other terrorists.
send in a bunch of women in their menopause. theyre already ****** off, with whole not being able to have kids anymore. theyve had decades of experience in hunting down people, after theyve been following their husbands around making sure they aint cheating. and whats more scary than an angry mother wielding a machine gun?

[1{H][NA]

Lynch was in it for the education so she could be a kindergarden teacher.

i thought lynch joined the army because she got rejected for a job at a supermarket.

[Flavius]

Women should form their own units, seperate from men. This would negate romantic relationships and rape.

[RZZZA]

This is part of what I call the "pussification of america". Nowadays not only is it considered normal for a man to be "more in touch with his sensitive side" but we also get to hear stuff like this....women wanting to fight in the military....C'mon, gimme a break. Do women make effective soldiers? Can they carry 80 lbs on their backs while climbing a mountain and shooting people? If a woman can pass basic training and do all the things they require a soldier to do then God bless her, give her a gun and let her fight our enemies. But I do not want to see many women clamoring to be soldiers...it just would not be good, for anyone. Its not just tradition that men do the fighting...its common sense. Men are the ones who are stronger, who fight wars, who lug heavy objects on their backs and shoot guns and slice people open with knives and then stomp on their innards. What kinda message does it send to our enemies when they see women in our ranks? Now, if these women are every bit as effective a soldier as a man then its fine but I tend to doubt that....

[bigfootedfred]

and whats more scary than an angry mother wielding a machine gun?

it'd scare the shite outa me thats for sure.

as for this

This situation made those who were already skeptical about putting women in such a compromising position further question whether women should be subjected to the horrors of combat

oh for gods sake.
if the sign up to the army they know what they are getting into
its not "subjecting" them to anything.
its their choice.

Women who can make it through basic, are not tiny little ballerinas

[First Crusader]

oh for gods sake.
if the sign up to the army they know what they are getting into
its not "subjecting" them to anything.
its their choice.

Women who can make it through basic, are not tiny little ballerinas

No more "Kill Bill" for you.

Have you seen the evac rates for women in Iraq?

Me neither. The army refuses to release them.

That sound like a coincidence to you?

[bigfootedfred]

No more "Kill Bill" for you.

never seen it
dont care to

Have you seen the evac rates for women in Iraq?
Me neither. The army refuses to release them.

source?

i want a source dircelty saying that the us army is hiding the evacuation rates, just for women, not anyone else

[RZZZA]

Youve never seen Kill Bill? Watch it, it's a work of art.

[First Crusader]

i want a source dircelty saying that the us army is hiding the evacuation rates, just for women, not anyone else

You calling me a liar, punk?

U.S. Central Command is not tracking the number of troops who must leave the Iraq war theater due to pregnancy, prompting military advocates to charge the Pentagon wants to keep secret what could be an embarrassing statistic.
There have been anecdotal reports of unmarried soldiers becoming pregnant in Iraq. One military police unit reported losing three women for that reason. Pfc. Lynndie England, the 21-year-old photographed holding a leash attached to an Iraqi prisoner, became pregnant during an affair with another soldier at the Abu Ghraib prison compound in Iraq.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...5647-8125r.htm

There are suspicions that the pregnancy is ridiculously high due to women deliberately getting pregnant just to get out of the war. But who can blame them?

It's their choice.

Frequently not true. The military is illegally forcing women into combat positions. Feminism at its best...

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu.../30/15577.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4666813

[First Crusader]

This "pussification" also happens in many churchs as well as armies.

If an institution, be it an army, a church, or something else gets too many women all over it, the men will be driven away or not join at all because its a "girl thing" and men want "man things" to do.

Do you guys think its a coincidence that a lot of army veterans are leaving and joining merc outfits? The pay is better and there aren't any pussies telling you what to do.

[leeho730]

Women are definitely weaker then men in terms of physical characteristics. But we do recruit female army COs and GIs (my immediate superior is going to be a female ex-captain), and if a woman can prove themselves that they are fit even for SAS, then why not? However, large proportion of females serve as medics as we have far more females than males in medic corp (and some of them are big and darn fitter than males!).

There was a female corp in South Vietnam who were very fierce, because they knew their fate if captured alive.

[Rowan11088]

Personally I think this is a non-issue. I don't hear about any feminists arguing over this point right now, so who are we complaining about? I'd say the military's current policy is OK, and they weren't forced to take that stance, it was done for pragmatic reasons. Having women take up medic and support positions is helpful because it frees up more male recruits for front line fighting and other roles. Though those women are put in danger, foreseeably they are saving others from danger too. It's their choice.

[Tiwaz]

Here is little math for females desiring to be soldiers...

I am 6 foot male, weight around 170 pounds (roughly since I use kg to measure myself). Add to this my combat gear.

I get hit in combat and end up unconcious/badly wounded. Could you drag me to safety?

Yes, you could try to ask for help but that would render you as a soldier worthless to me. And I admit that some males would be unable to fulfill this criteria as well. But overall far fewer males are unable to drag me than there are females who have same problem.

If female can fulfill ALL (for example here they have lighter full packs) the criteria required of man and drag to cover wounded comrades I have no problems with them being in the army. If they can't they are liability to rest of the unit. Chain is as weak as it's weakest link. And it quite often would be average female (we males being evolutionarized to be big, hairy, mean and high on adrenaline basically we were designed to be capable of putting up a good fight )

[Tiwaz]

About time someone mentioned evolutionary science. You can't argue with biological design...

Well, it's true. If you look at physical differences of male and female and our way of reproduction you clearly notice that overall man is better suited for being expendable in combat to defend rest of the "pack".

[First Crusader]

Well, it's true. If you look at physical differences of male and female and our way of reproduction you clearly notice that overall man is better suited for being expendable in combat to defend rest of the "pack".

Exactly.

I agree athiest, how humiliating would it be for a soldier who lives in a male dominated country, to be taken prisoner by a half female army. I think they underestimate the strengths of a woman holding a gun which might be an advantage to us.

Yeah... they would be so busy raping the woman prisoners that they wouldn't have time to fight and would lose!

[Marshal Qin]

Female soldiers, and kids, have been described as quite nasty opponents. Women seem to go nuts in combat and kids just don't understand that they can die. I agree with a previous poster that if women are to be in combat roles they should be in seperate units - perhaps a mobile light infantry. It does have larger implications for the roles of men and women in civilian life by further blurring the line between the 2. Personally, I don't like seeing women act like men and vice versa.

Watch a movie called 'cross of iron' about a german unit caught behind Russian lines in WW2.