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    Denver votes to legalize marijuana possession
    By Patrick O'Driscoll, USA TODAY
    DENVER — Voters here approved making Denver the first major city to legalize small amounts of marijuana, but the mayor warned that state law still makes possession of the drug illegal.
    "OK of pot issue gives new meaning to Mile High City," said Wednesday's headline in the Rocky Mountain News. The measure, which passed Tuesday with 54% of the vote, says adults 21 and older may possess up to an ounce of marijuana without penalty in the city.

    A few other cities, including Seattle and Oakland, have laws that make marijuana possession a low priority for police. A dozen states, including Colorado, have decriminalized possession of small amounts but still issue fines.

    Unlike Denver, the Colorado ski town of Telluride, population 2,300, narrowly defeated a measure Tuesday that would have made possession of marijuana the lowest police priority. It might be already: Just 17 citations were issued there last year for pot possession.

    Don't expect clouds of marijuana smoke to fill Denver's thin air. Mayor John Hickenlooper said police will continue to arrest and charge people for marijuana because state law still makes possession illegal.

    Hickenlooper said the city can adopt an ordinance that is stricter than state law on marijuana but not one that is weaker.

    Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, D.C., said Denver's vote will spur initiatives in other cities to legalize and regulate marijuana like alcohol or tobacco.

    "It's certainly likely to energize people. This is the wind in the sails of reform," Mirken said Wednesday. "Rethinking marijuana prohibition is mainstream. This is the heart of America saying, 'Hold on, maybe our current marijuana laws don't make a lot of sense.' And the fact is, they're right."

    Mason Tvert, who led the Denver campaign for legalized pot, said he will encourage people who are charged under state law to fight their arrests in court.

    In Colorado, having an ounce of marijuana or less is punishable by a $100 fine but no jail time. "It's like a speeding ticket, and only a fraction of people end up going to court over it," said Tvert, founder of SAFER, or Safer Alternative For Enjoyable Recreation.

    Tvert said his group also will seek a state initiative to license and regulate the sale of marijuana. His campaign argued that legalized pot is a safer alternative, considering the problems that arise from alcohol abuse such as violent crime and health risks.

    The mayor said he opposed the measure because he considers marijuana a "gateway" drug that can lead to harder substances and "much more self-destructive behaviors." Hickenlooper acknowledged, however, that Denver's vote "does reflect a genuine shift in people's attitudes."

    Although Denver's marijuana vote caught attention, the main issue Coloradans approved Tuesday will let the state government keep $3.7 billion in tax revenue over the next five years. The money otherwise would have been refunded to taxpayers under a 1992 constitutional amendment, the Taxpayer Bill of Rights, which has strict caps on state spending. The statewide referendum passed with 52% of the vote.
    Might not be very significant,
    but it's one step forward

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    Next in line:
    Anyways, Drugs next on the legalization list:
    Psychedelic mushrooms
    Salvia divinorum (it's actually already legal where I'm at, but i would imagine it's illegal is most states)
    Peyote


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    My stance on the issue...either outlaw smoking cigs and drinking alcohol, or legalize pot and possibly some others. I really have a hard time with smoking in itself being legal and to what extent it should be regulated. I recognize how dangerous it is, but I hate the notion of the government regulating people's lives like that.

    What really bothers me is how totally obsessed the schools are with drugs. I have no reason to do drugs, and probably won't ever, but if anything could make me want to do drugs, it would be that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist Peace
    What really bothers me is how totally obsessed the schools are with drugs. I have no reason to do drugs, and probably won't ever, but if anything could make me want to do drugs, it would be that.
    So let me get this straight, you would do drugs because schools always talk about how bad they are? At my school they dont even mentions drugs except alcohol.

    Anyways people who smoke, drink and do drugs are really weird. Why would you shorten your life. I mean common people have some sense in you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Spartan Soldier
    So let me get this straight, you would do drugs because schools always talk about how bad they are? At my school they dont even mentions drugs except alcohol.
    No...I'm saying that I know they are bad already, they only need to say it once or twice, but when they obsess over these things, that gives me any motivation I might have to do drugs, where there was previously none. Although like I said, I probably wont ever do drugs anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist Peace
    No...I'm saying that I know they are bad already, they only need to say it once or twice, but when they obsess over these things, that gives me any motivation I might have to do drugs, where there was previously none. Although like I said, I probably wont ever do drugs anyway.
    Ahhh, ok gotcha read your post kinda wrong then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKwas
    Salvia divinorum (it's actually already legal where I'm at, but i would imagine it's illegal is most states)
    I wonder what are the effect in replacing the classical sauge by this sub-species in traditional cuisine...

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    I am against all kinds of drugs so I am agianst this.

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    Ban drugs, keep alcohol, restrict cigarettes teh way they're restriced now (or a little less).





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    Cigarettes need to be restricted more, not less. What you do in the privacy of your own home or in designated smoking areas is fine, but cigarette smoke in the air around people CAN give them throat/lung diseases and cancer.

    As for the main issue, why is everyone applauding Denver for letting people smoke pot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian
    As for the main issue, why is everyone applauding Denver for letting people smoke pot?
    Maybe they like freedom?

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    Why do we want people to be free to slowly rot their brain? "Freedom" has to stop at a certain point or we'll end up with people killing themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian
    Why do we want people to be free to slowly rot their brain? "Freedom" has to stop at a certain point or we'll end up with people killing themselves.
    Okay, im just saying, this policy promotes freedom where illegalizing it further discourages freedom. And given that politicians like George W Bush and Dick Cheney support it (its obvious from their rhetoric on freedom), I would think more conservatives would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian
    Why do we want people to be free to slowly rot their brain? "Freedom" has to stop at a certain point or we'll end up with people killing themselves.
    Please, Pot is next to harmless, and most studies concerning IQ rates after pot usage are inconclusive at best. There's been many that actually state that weed IMPROVES IQ.

    But also remember that most of these studies focus on people that smoke it daily, which is rare amoung pot-smokers.
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    *leaves to pack bags for denver*

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    I find it amusing that people are on a crusade to ban firearms from the public, which very rarely harm innocents, but are ecstatic about marijuana being legalised because it gives more freedom... when pot actually does harm anyone who smokes it and people develop dependence on pot, but not on firearms...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1{H][NA
    *leaves to pack bags for denver*
    Wait! I'll come along!

    There are a few people here and there who can't cope with it and get...kinda spaced out....but c'mon, what is that compared to alcohol? Or the super drug nicotine? And it won't really make you criminal - last time I smoked the joint went around highly paid PhD's and people who are going to be one.

    It's legal in Holland, are the Netherlanders all stoned the whole day? Dependent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian
    As for the main issue, why is everyone applauding Denver for letting people smoke pot?
    Because its Denver and there are some weird people there. Oh well now parents are going to have to watch their kids closer now, its easier for them to get pot. *sigh* What is this country coming to.

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    1st off, Pot is fun, and a good way to spend an evening.

    2nd off, it's our right to do what we want with our bodies as long as it doesn't negatively affect others.


    3rd off, it's a first step in legalizing everything related to weed and hemp, which would greatly improve the enviroment and destroy the cotton industry(which is extremely harmful to the enviroment).

    4th off, it's medical usages are countless.

    5th off, it lowers alchohal consumtion, which is much more harmful to society.

    Really, there's so many reasons why it should be legalized. This is only the tip of the iceberg.
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    6) Therefore, God does not exist.


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    I love weed.....



    A lil something for the Christian conservatives



    I belive weed should be legalized because it is less dangerous that alcohol....I still think other drugs should be banned although I have had fun with them years ago, they are just too dangerous and they come from shady places.
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