Christian Atheism

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

Christian Atheism is a belief system in which the moral teachings of Jesus are followed, but his divinity and the existence of god are denied.
Is it valid to follow the teachings of Jesus while denying god? Can a person truly be a Christian Atheist? Any Thoughts?

[Arch-hereticK]

Nah, he only had half a dozen decent teachings, the rest is just the ramblings of a self-righteous meglomaniac that also has delusions of grandeur. Just another typical cult leader.

"And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:22)

(Matthew 5:16) Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your father in heaven.
(Matthew 6:1) Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them

(John 14:27) Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you.
(Matthew 10:34) Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

[Justice and Mercy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

Christian Atheism is a belief system in which the moral teachings of Jesus are followed, but his divinity and the existence of god are denied.
Is it valid to follow the teachings of Jesus while denying god? Can a person truly be a Christian Atheist? Any Thoughts?

The moral teachings of Jesus... except all of those regarding God? Have these people ever read the Bible?

It's incredibly irrational. First of all, how does one justify these beliefs? These people have mixed mysticism and skepticism.

[Copperknickers II]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

Christian Atheism is a belief system in which the moral teachings of Jesus are followed, but his divinity and the existence of god are denied.
Is it valid to follow the teachings of Jesus while denying god? Can a person truly be a Christian Atheist? Any Thoughts?

I am one of these. I believe Jesus was a slightly troubled man with some great ideas. He was just a social philosopher, like Siddhartha Gautama or Confucious. Of course, like most Christians, i pick and choose things i like and don't like from the Bible.

[Helm]

Bear in mind that the only real source we have on his teachings are from people who believed him to be God in human form, it's not going to be a word for word true account of what he said.

[Copperknickers II]

He believed he was God in human form, so i don't see why it wouldn't be.

[Helm]

He believed he was God in human form, so i don't see why it wouldn't be.

He may not necessarily have believed that himself we don't know which parts were true and which parts were added in for dramatic effect later.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

He believed he was God in human form, so i don't see why it wouldn't be.

no he didn't

when did he ever say that? Muslims believe him to be a regular human favoured by God.

[DisgruntledGoat]

He believed he was God in human form, so i don't see why it wouldn't be.

Did he, I was not aware of Jesus ever proclaiming to be God in the bible. I'm not actually aware of any passages in the bible where Jesus even calls himself the Son of God. Albeit, I haven't read the bible in over 15 years. This is just out of curiosity and not about an argument.

[Squiggle]

Did he, I was not aware of Jesus ever proclaiming to be God in the bible. I'm not actually aware of any passages in the bible where Jesus even calls himself the Son of God. Albeit, I haven't read the bible in over 15 years. This is just out of curiosity and not about an argument.

He never said it explicitly, but there are a variety of statements/acts that infer it. You can only gain salvation through me, he exorcised and performed miracles in his own name rather than Gods, etc, etc.

[Arch-hereticK]

Jesus also said some pretty horrifying things.

Revelations 2:22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.
23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

Following these teachings makes you a sick and effed up person in my book.

[Dr. Croccer]

Jesus also said some pretty horrifying things.

Revelations 2:22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.
23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

Following these teachings makes you a sick and effed up person in my book.

Well, to be fair, the standards were different back then. Women had little occupation and a man who didn't properly take care of his wife was openly disliked. Similairly, wives who betrayed their husbands' generous care through adultery were despised as well.

Huh? That wouldnt even be christian atheism, it would be Arianism. If you mean they follow Jesus' moral teachings but regard the entire bible as a farce otherwise, no its not legitimate.

That's not Arianism at all. Arianism is mostly comparable to Catholicism except it doesn't recognize the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. He was regarded soley as a mortal prophet.

[Arch-hereticK]

Well, to be fair, the standards were different back then. Women had little occupation and a man who didn't properly take care of his wife was openly disliked. Similairly, wives who betrayed their husbands' generous care through adultery were despised as well.

In your honest opinion: does that dignify what Jesus actually said? Are acts of barbarity ok at specific times?

I would be strongly of the opinion that murdering a sinner's children has always been an immoral act and always will be.

[Copperknickers II]

Those aren't teachings, those are examples of the power of God. The moral lessons - do not commit adultery, be pure of mind and heart, do good works if you want to recieve rewards,... are perfectly reasonable.

[Arch-hereticK]

Those aren't teachings, those are examples of the power of God. The moral lessons - do not commit adultery, be pure of mind and heart, do good works if you want to recieve rewards,... are perfectly reasonable.

.........love someone who isn't your spouse and I'll kill you and your children.............perfectly reasonable.
It's in the bible, Jesus said it according to the book of revelations (the most relevant book).

What you say is how most churches preach the bible, but not all of them.

[Justice and Mercy]

Those aren't teachings, those are examples of the power of God. The moral lessons - do not commit adultery, be pure of mind and heart, do good works if you want to recieve rewards,... are perfectly reasonable.

They're baseless.

I would say "especially without believing in God", but that would imply that believing in God is a real "base" of knowledge, which I certainly don't believe.

[Copperknickers II]

They're baseless.

Yes they are, but if you can find me a system of morality with a solid base that does not use circular reasoning, then you would win a Nobel Prize.

[Justice and Mercy]

Yes they are, but if you can find me a system of morality with a solid base that does not use circular reasoning, then you would win a Nobel Prize.

Ooh, sounds like fun.

You believe that morality is arbitrary choice?

Ask yourself this: Why would a person need a system of morality (a code that directs their actions)?

[Ältester der Motten]

The moral lessons - do not commit adultery [...] perfectly reasonable.

0:06 and onwards.





Also, since when is the Revelation of John attributed to Jesus? I think someone is making a mistake here! And the rest is not noticing. But yeah, YHWH is quite a dick.

[rabenschnabel]

Jesus from an atheist point of view: