Yet another school falls of PC, mine

[Ecthelion]

A few days ago I was walking around on campus and I hear a very unusual singing over the outdoor speakers...

It took me a second to realize what it was. I could not believe it at first but indeed it was real. The broadcast was a Muslim call to prayers.

As many of you know, "Christmas Vacation" is now called "Winter Break", and "Merry Christmas" is now "Happy Holidays". I am not Christian, but I cannot understand why the major religion in this country is being swept under the rug.

Instead, to be ever more PC, Islam is the new religion of the country it seems. While a school like Emory University would be dragged through the mud, especially since it's a Southern school with Antebellum beginnings, were they to wish the students a Merry Christmas before "Winter Break". But if they play Muslim prayer calls over the official loudspeaker system, it's perfectly okay. You have a complaint? Well then you must be an ultra-rightwing conservative, no, you must be a Klansman. Sound ridiculous? It already happens.

[eltrevo]

one word. WTF?

and are you the same person of this name from Rome Total War Heaven?

[Bovril]

When the US government starts making Muslim fetivals public holidays you can start :wub:. At the moment the whole structure of US society is incredibly christocentric. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but damn, see the big picture here people. Your presidential candidates bang on constantly about Jesus and George W even talks about how god affects his foreign policy.

[First Crusader]

When the US government starts making Muslim fetivals public holidays you can start :wub:. At the moment the whole structure of US society is incredibly christocentric. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but damn, see the big picture here people. Your presidential candidates bang on constantly about Jesus and George W even talks about how god affects his foreign policy.

Ummm, the government already has made Muslim festivals holidays. :laughing:

Foreign religions get more funding for parades than our vets.

And it is hypocritical to outlaw Christianity in school and then turn around and give Muslims free reign to sing their songs.

[Pra]

I thing that to maintain a secular nature, the Muslim prayers should not be played on loudspeakers. Public holidays should be secular, or at least maintained as the original religious ones that they were, as long as other ones are recognized, eg. Ramadan, Diwali, Christmas, Hanukah(sp?), etc...

[crazyhorse]

Are the prayer calls even needed? If they are so devout they should know when to pray, right? I can only imagine how enraged Muslim students would be if a priest went around reminding everyone it was Sunday and they should go to mass even if they're not Christian.

[Justinian]

I thing that to maintain a secular nature, the Muslim prayers should not be played on loudspeakers. Public holidays should be secular, or at least maintained as the original religious ones that they were, as long as other ones are recognized, eg. Ramadan, Diwali, Christmas, Hanukah(sp?), etc...

I agree. Politically correct people are so disgustingly inconsistent - Christianity is un-PC because right-wingers are mostly Christian, but Islam, oh that's fine! Even though Islam has caused and is causing even more trouble then Christianity...

[bigfootedfred]

I agree. Politically correct people are so disgustingly inconsistent - Christianity is un-PC because right-wingers are mostly Christian, but Islam, oh that's fine! Even though Islam has caused and is causing even more trouble then Christianity...

i think we should celebrate every single relgious event. from every religon....paid holiday of course...

[bigfootedfred]

Ummm, the government already has made Muslim festivals holidays. :laughing:

wish theyd do that over here....more holidays.....i wouldnt complain.

[Shaun]

what country are we talking about?
I havent heard a call to prayer in my school in Scotland. Im thinking it might be England and Wales.

[Templedog]

all religion shouldn't be in school. It is all stupid followed by stupid morons. Christmas sucks anyways, I never got what I wanted for Christmas....BAAHHHHHHH HUMBUGGGGGG

YOUR AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK ONE RELIGION IS BETTER OR THE COUNTRYS RELIGION OF CHOICE....WHO THE F CARES....IT'S ALL CRAP/. SNAP OUT OF IT.....AND GROW UP....

AGNOSTIC

[Justinian]

all religion shouldn't be in school. It is all stupid followed by stupid morons.

Congratulations, you just managed to insult two thirds of the population of the world. Including people who are ten times smarter then everyone on this site (Einstein, C.S. Lewis, many scientists who form the basis of almost all scientific thought nowadays)

Christmas sucks anyways, I never got what I wanted for Christmas....BAAHHHHHHH HUMBUGGGGGG

That explains so much.

[Templedog]

well, Hitler was a christian too....stop throwing names around that have no meaning to back a religion, stupid.

mommy and daddy tought me about jesus. *hug*

[Justinian]

well, Hitler was a christian too....stop throwing names around that have no meaning to back a religion, stupid.

Considering everything Hitler did was completely against the teachings of Christianity (Jesus was Jewish, remember?) ...

Names that have no meaning? Could you at least try to offer some kind of rebuttal to the undeniable fact that a great deal of people who are a lot smarter then you and me were Christians? Including people who were atheists and converted to Christianity? (Like Lewis)

mommy and daddy tought me about jesus. *hug*

You do know I'm not Christian, right?

[First Crusader]

And Hitler didn't even claim to be Christian. Read his book.

[JP226]

if ni'm not mistaken, hitelr tried to remove relgion completely. I know he had a spot with the catholic church, i'm not sure aboiut the protestant one though. Maybe someone could fill me in.

[Pra]

On the Hitler Note, this is what a good friend of mind had posted elsewhere:

Sure, how is this for a start:

“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938.

and

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith [refering to christianity]. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

and

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

and

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf

and

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (using christian symbology)

and

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

and

"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

( Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

and

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

and

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf

and

“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.”

(where the spiritual base is clearly christianism.)

There are tons more of these expressions in speeches and the Mein Kampf. And it were not only words. Take for example Hitler's paranoia with the spear that killed jesus...

Then there are the inside testimonies of other nazis:

"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)

The only reason christians now claim he was no christian its because they don't want to be associated with the guy. I don't really blame them, but their religion (and other factors as well) produced this monster. He had a christian education and his parents were devout christians.

Reference links:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

http://www.skeptictank.org/flist071.htm

The cherry on the cake:





The Nazi slogan
Gott mit uns or "God with us"

[Erik]

IMO schools and religion should not mix.
I don't think this is worst because it's a muslim habit, but they must be consequent.

[First Crusader]

Just allow Muslims AND Christians AND everyone else to pray in school and all of that. The liberals running these schools are so hypocritical. Whatever happened to "tolerance" towards Christians?

[Justinian]

The liberals running these schools are so hypocritical. Whatever happened to "tolerance" towards Christians?

Everyone knows Christians don't deserve tolerance! They're all stupid, base, uninformed racist homophobic Francophobes! Everybody knows that!