Legalisation of marijuana

[Richard Dawkins]

Should marijuana be legalised in California?

[Aziel]

This is a Political Academy thread, I believe. And I think that under certain regualations, it should be legalised.

[Jenuensis]

It should be decriminalized but strongly discouraged. And the same penalties should be applied like DUI if you are involved in a crash or caught driving while you're high, just like alcohol.

So basically all the laws based around alcohol, 21 and older, etc.

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

This findings in this thread support the idea pretty well I believe.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=357308

[Richard Dawkins]

thanx, and nice article dialectical materialist

[Kjertesvein]

I noticed the other day when the politicians I mostly favor talk about politics, they use reason and facts, but when the political debate program changed to legalisation of marijuana, it all was about "signals" and "morals" the state bring out.

Im outraged to say the least when politics comes to this level of thinking!!!

Has anyone noticed this?

~Wille

[MathiasOfAthens]

Why does it look like Arnold dubbed himself in English.

Hes always open to talking about things... why dont you just do it.

It would be better if this sort of thing was introduced into sort of clubs in downtowns where people could go... like hooka bars or something. That way once they are done getting high they can take a bus or train home. Plus there would be extra revenue to downtowns.

[Richard Dawkins]

Hes always open to talking about things... why dont you just do it.

he figures people will come more around after debate or that how people see the issue after the debate will be more representative of how they'll respond in the long run.

so once there's been more debate he'll run focus groups and decide whether to take it up.

At the moment in Australia Kevin Rudd has brought our attention to a new mining tax as yet to be implemented, and although the move was quite popular at first, public opinion has started to turn on the issue after a more prolonged period of debate. Not that Kevin Rudd could have done the same thing, but you can see why a politician who can would.

It must make things trickier from the opposition's perspective too.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Mudpit --> Academy

[Sir Winston Churchill]

It should be packaged, regulated, and sold by the government. Not only will people be happy to get a joint, the gov can make some money off it too to pay off that oh some trillions in debt we have.

[Enemy of the State]

Legalize everything. If you want drugs to remain illegal, you believe the government owns your life.

[LegionnaireX]

Legalize everything. If you want drugs to remain illegal, you believe the government owns your life.

Yeah because we all know that heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine have positive health, social and economic benefits.

Some things are just a danger to society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War

[Enemy of the State]

Yeah because we all know that heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine have positive health, social and economic benefits.

Some things are just a danger to society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War

I was not claiming they do. That doesn't matter to me. It's about consistency. I believe I own myself. Nobody else has a claim on my life. Therefore, I and I alone can decide what goes into my body.

[LegionnaireX]

I was not claiming they do. That doesn't matter to me. It's about consistency. I believe I own myself. Nobody else has a claim on my life. Therefore, I and I alone can decide what goes into my body.

That would be true if you were a hermit living in the woods. However, you are not a hermit living in the woods, as what you put into your body can affect those around you in significant ways. Alcoholism and drug abuse affect your friends, your family, your job, your livelihood, etc.

[Denny Crane!]

That would be true if you were a hermit living in the woods. However, you are not a hermit living in the woods, as what you put into your body can affect those around you in significant ways. Alcoholism and drug abuse affect your friends, your family, your job, your livelihood, etc.

The harm they do has nothing to do with them being illegal. In fact there is plenty of evidence to suggest that making them illegal made the drugs a problem.

When was the last time you saw anyone calling for the Gin act of 1736 to be brought back? But it is dangerous to society! The problems were endemic causing untold misery with vast quantities of people addicted! Oh wait gin laws didn't work. Culture change, education and regulation did.

So I think it is safe to say we can chalk you up to wanting all drugs legalised

[Enemy of the State]

That would be true if you were a hermit living in the woods. However, you are not a hermit living in the woods, as what you put into your body can affect those around you in significant ways. Alcoholism and drug abuse affect your friends, your family, your job, your livelihood, etc.

If I cause harm to anyone, I may be punished, but not for taking the drug itself. My life, my decisions. Others are free to not associate with me.

sorry but anarchists are worse than communists in my book.

the government isn't an independent entity. It's the embodied will of the people, or in some cases, a single person.

of course I don't think this should be banned, but I think the government should fulfill many tasks such as policing, education etc.

if you like anarchy go live in Somalia. You will need a machine gun to get around and are still extremely likely to be killed if you have anything valuable at all.

Absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Legalize everything. If you want drugs to remain illegal, you believe the government owns your life.

sorry but anarchists are worse than communists in my book.

the government isn't an independent entity. It's the embodied will of the people, or in some cases, a single person.

of course I don't think this should be banned, but I think the government should fulfill many tasks such as policing, education etc.

if you like anarchy go live in Somalia. You will need a machine gun to get around and are still extremely likely to be killed if you have anything valuable at all.

[Denny Crane!]

sorry but anarchists are worse than communists in my book.

the government isn't an independent entity. It's the embodied will of the people, or in some cases, a single person.

of course I don't think this should be banned, but I think the government should fulfill many tasks such as policing, education etc.

if you like anarchy go live in Somalia. You will need a machine gun to get around and are still extremely likely to be killed if you have anything valuable at all.

What the hell? He was posting about the legalisation of drugs which can happen in a statist society.

And the worst part of this post is that you don't understand that A. communists technically are anarchists so you are saying they are worse than themselves (of course anarchism is a bit of a crap word really) B. Somalia isn't anarchy, somalia has governments and the current situation is the result of years of imperialist action by the British, world wars being fought in there, other interference and finally a rapid independance that couldn't possibly be stable and degenerated into civil war. Somalia is because of statism not because it wasn't present. It is our legacy, are you proud of your countries history and the part it has played in these events?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

And the worst part of this post is that you don't understand that A. communists technically are anarchists so you are saying they are worse than themselves (of course anarchism is a bit of a crap word really) B. Somalia isn't anarchy, somalia has governments and the current situation is the result of years of imperialist action by the British, world wars being fought in there, other interference and finally a rapid independance that couldn't possibly be stable and degenerated into civil war. Somalia is because of statism not because it wasn't present. It is our legacy, are you proud of your countries history and the part it has played in these events?

capitalist anarchist and communist anarchists are compeltely different.

there wasn't a government until 2006.

and what country do you think I am from? I am from Ireland.

[Denny Crane!]

capitalist anarchist and communist anarchists are compeltely different.

Yet you didn't feel like differentiating.

there wasn't a government until 2006.

What what what? Know your African history do you lad?

--->Then please tell me how the Gobroon dynasty didn't qualify as a government. Remarkable if they weren't considering they had what was considered a golden age during the 19th century.

--->Also the fact that it organised one of the longest wars of resistance in history under Muhammad Abdullah Hassan. This was a moderate failure with the Italians and the British carving out small semi controlled colonies

--->and of course during the 1920's and the 1940's you have them getting royally screwed (and aerially bombarded) for over 20 years and their country slowly ripped apart or traded at one point to the Italians by the British.

---> The UN tried to resolve it by granting protectorate status to Italy, meanwhile you had the British maurading around the area or sponsoring Ethiopean warlords to do it for them and carve out bits of the country.

--->July 1st 1960 the two different territories form the Somali Republic (A GOVERNMENT) under Osman Daar as president and abdirashid Ali Shermarke as Prime Minister who would later become president. On July 20th 1961 they ratified their own constitution.

--->After internal strife and division which was natural considering the history and destruction visited on this state and its unnatural formation it became further stricken by a dictatorship in 1976 because of Soviet influence. The Somali Revolutionary Socialist Party gained power and was not overthrown until December 1990.

--->Somalia has been in a state of civil war since 1991. On May 7 2009, the rebels attacked the capital city of Mogadishu, capturing most of the city but failing to overthrow the government, which maintained control over a few square kilometers of the city. It is still in a state of civil war.


I hope to god I don't have to have this stupid Somalian argument again with people who clearly have no clue about its current state of affairs or its history.

and what country do you think I am from? I am from Ireland.

You think there weren't Irish regiments? Good way to get a third of a pint of rum and a hot meal so it was and that was a damn good reason to join as far back as you'd care to remember.