Nvidia what the heck has happened to you??

[karamazovmm]

Now that the mobile GTX 400 series is out, the question on what the hell is going on with that korean is not out there, its screaming in pink out there, singing ABBA songs out there, using the figurine of the Hugo Weaving in The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert out there...


And yes CPT Fozdike we all know that you love that movie

A TDP of 100w in a mobile chip?? Are you freaking kidding me???

And just a 9% improvement against the 5870??

The 5870 just ONLY has a 40% lower TDP, and is currently being priced 500 dollars lower, with just a 9% of loss in performance, who they hired? monkeys to develop chips?

Yes the green team is lost and there isn't any found, with the fiasco of the ion2, the tegra chips being left in the trash, the no possibility of building chipsets for the i series of processors, and the pricing scheme of the GTX 400 both mobile and desktop, are they just throwing the towel?


BTW llano is a reality, lets hope that your income with the FX series of cards is profitable enough...

And there is no excuse if the production is bellow of what you expect, you should be able to measure the medium through put, if not, fire the goddamn people who didn't

Actually the cost of production is a recurrent excuse of the green team

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-...F.32251.0.html

here is a benchmark, with a desktop i7 940, that could also have a influence on that lowly 9% performance gain

[HansDuet]

laptop rabble.

[karamazovmm]

more like nvida rant

green team, they must be smoking it

[motiv-8]

I'm finding it hard to understand what the contents of the OP have to do with the absurdly alarmist thread title.

What has happened to nVIDIA? Nothing. They're right there. Doing what they've been doing for almost two decades. Next?

[karamazovmm]

they've just lost a big part of the market share, being now 50% to each, in every segment. The growth was 10% for ATI in the last year alone. That is not something insignificant at all, specially in a market with 2 competitors.

[Top-Tier-Tech]

they've just lost a big part of the market share, being now 50% to each.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

STEAM has the biggest hardware survey that I'm aware of and they show 59% Nvidia vs 33% ATI. Perhaps they sold as much as Nvidia this last year, but they aren't used as much as Nvidia by gamers.

[motiv-8]

they've just lost a big part of the market share, being now 50% to each, in every segment.

Wrong, and wrong. They lost maybe 5% year-over last year, and occupy 65% currently.

http://www.siliconindia.com/shownews/AMDs_Fusion_to_challenge_Intel_and_Nvidia-nid-68808.html

That is not something insignificant at all, specially in a market with 2 competitors.

It's not insignificant, but it's not also any reason to make a dubiously hyperbolic thread either. AMD also gained market share against Intel in the CPU department last year, but just like nVIDIA the latter is not hovering over any dark precipice, either. In fact, Intel gained the share they lost last year back in the first quarter of this year. That's how these things work.

As a business, nVIDIA is doing fine, but like any business, complacency can kill.

[karamazovmm]

I'll dig some reports

btw there is more than desktops

[Freddie]

In Nvidia's defence (of it's mobile chips) if your buying a 'gaming laptop' with powerful hardware then quite frankly as a buyer you shouldn't worry about the drain on the battery as the battery in gaming laptops is little more then a UPS. You can't have it both ways.

Steam......a good reflection of what hardware steam users have but not PC gamers as a whole, there are other reports most notably John Peddie and NPD that give more specific information about market trends and where the market is heading. What is impressive with the PC market (from the last lot of research from John Peddie) is despite the decline in the video games market on the console side the PC has seen strong demand for high end hardware, so despite the global financial fallout all looks promising for the PC.

[Odinarius]

You should worry about overheating. 100W TDP usually means that much heat being released inside the laptop case... A very small case.

On Steam, 17% of users have single-core machines, and we know that those cannot run modern games. They are no officially supported recently (un-demanding games like Mass Effect 2). So Steam Hardware survey is not relevant to the discussion.

Unless you consider people who only play games made before 1998 gamers. I think that only gamers who play contemporary games are relevant.

[Top-Tier-Tech]

Unless you consider people who only play games made before 1998 gamers. I think that only gamers who play contemporary games are relevant.

Single core CPU's were common even in 2005. Just because a CPU is single core doesn't mean it's a 12 year-old PC. STEAM has millions of users so even though it doesn't represent the exact market share it gives a fair idea. Have you seen any other source that polls millions of computers?

[karamazovmm]

there are several users who play ntw with a p4.

and no, any steam survey is not good enough for the lack of a good representative pool, it that was true, the market for windows xp would be so small today

and since the site was down again, I didn't look for it

[paradamed]

there are several users who play ntw with a p4.

I doubt it I tried installing it in my notebook which is a athlon dual core 1900 MHZ, 2GB ram and geforce 7000m and I cant have like 5fps when I zoom in on lowest settings.

[karamazovmm]

http://www.crn.com/hardware/22500000...OSKH4ATMY32JVN

this report, the gain in the mobile market was 8.2 compared to the last year first quarter, and the overall gain was 2.8

With the i series integrated gpu, intel will claw back to more than the 50% total share that it had, but in gamers market, ATI has gained some good soil.

And here is a tidbit of the article:

However, with AMD's latest Radeon graphic cards slowly catching up with Nvidia's processor performance and gaining attention among gaming enthusiasts, the competition is likely to get tougher. Fusion processor may put more pressure on Nvidia market share.

Nvidia is going to face some trouble if it won't put some more value in its chips:

-The fusion is going to happen

- The TEGRA 2 line is a complete fail, there is none device powered by this, even the TEGRA the only know device was the ZUNE

- The ION 2 line is also a major fail (there are even fewer devices using this, aside that there is tie in terms of performance), the ION line was not as widely adopted as some would like

- They are out of chipset markets for intel, produce to the core line, not the i line is really a major bump.

- The pricing scheme of the GTX400 line aside the US is outrageous, In Brazil I can buy 2 5870 with the price of only one 470, although the difference is not as wide as in here, in several other important markets like the EU we can buy a 5870 with the price of a 470

- Yes, Nvidia will perfect its core in the next revamp, but ATI will also do it, since that TSMC made a change in its manufacturing road map.

- Yes if you can't ascertain the medium through out put of your chips, you have to be kidding, you always work with the worst case scenario.

- No I'm not saying that Nvidia will just die, its just too big for that, and has a loyal fan community, I'm saying that they are going to lose much more if they stay in such path, badly run,

In Nvidia's defence (of it's mobile chips) if your buying a 'gaming laptop' with powerful hardware then quite frankly as a buyer you shouldn't worry about the drain on the battery as the battery in gaming laptops is little more then a UPS. You can't have it both ways.
PC.

And that's why I like mainstream laptops, we get the best bang for the buck, and 5650 has almost the same performance of the desktop 4670, which is good. The battery life stays within the boundaries, a macbook with this chip could get the same or better battery life (since it appears that only apple can do it performance per watt right, don't get me wrong those acers and asus with long battery life they just have a much better wattage per hour in their battery, being the common a 1/3 difference in their favor)

But to develop a chip with a TDP of 100W is insane, the 5870 uses 60W. At least people with a G73 or the GX740 can use their pc with a 2:30 hour+ of battery life.

Nvidia only bet at the moment in the mobile market is to use the good old g92 core, or some of the not so good gt 200 core (currently the chips that use this core are the gt 240, which is slower than the gt 9500; and the gt 335.

And since the GF 100 core has gone to the mobile market, we can expect the application of the gt 200 core to go down the drains and use the already done g92

So yes, for me the path that Nvidia is following will inevitably lead to its loosing much more, the mobile market will continue to grow, and will eventually matter more to chip manufacturers than the desktop market.

[motiv-8]

That's a nice post, but unfortunately I had to sit around and listen to the same stuff during the GeForce FX days, and lo and behold nVIDIA ended up dominating the market for the next few years...

Besides, the change in market share during this quarter is remarkably easy to explain -- Fermi, which was released on March 26, ie the end of the quarter. It's not crazy for a company's sales to drop off before the release of a new product. I saw this when I sold iPhones at AT&T.

I probably sound like a fanboy, which I'm not, but this kind of doomsaying doesn't really serve any purpose. You're talking about a company which got its place in the sun by consuming the ashes of self-destroyed company (3dfx), and has bounced back from worse "failures" than Ion (which was regardless caused by Intel blackballing nVIDIA more than anything).

[karamazovmm]

intel backballing, backstabbing, that don't mean anything.

Intel is always intel, it have already bribed and will continue to do so, AMD will try to enforce Nvdia out of the game by offering simpler choices with the llano plataform, and with price bound cards with a good performance.

In business you don't play nice, you play to win.

this is more of a administration and direction of the company issue.

I'm not saying that Nvidia will break or anything, I'm saying that the loss of profit that has already been established with the 9600gt, will continue to happen. The diversification of the products with the TEGRA line is not going forward, although I agree that its a great chip.

NVidia makes some good products, has acquired a good fan base.

but to make such oversights, as the pricing scheme, or the knowledge of portability is important for mobile chips, is a great way of being called blind, and is also a great way to lose money.

[motiv-8]

but to make such oversights, as the pricing scheme, or the knowledge of portability is important for mobile chips, is a great way of being called blind, and is also a great way to lose money.

Er.. nVIDIA made $137m in Q1 of this fiscal year, and their cash on hand rose by $36m. Constructive criticism is all kinds of awesome, but the Prophet of Doom can take a vacation for a while.

[Odinarius]

It defies the laws of the market.

[karamazovmm]

the problem is not that if you're happy with making a buck, the problem is when the competition makes twice as much.

http://business.inquirer.net/money/t...t-surges-by-43

the economy dictates that your company will survive if you make a buck, but if your competitor makes much more, you're in trouble.

Doom sayer, I'm not.

Reality check is what it is.

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[motiv-8]

the problem is not that if you're happy with making a buck, the problem is when the competition makes twice as much.

http://business.inquirer.net/money/t...t-surges-by-43

the economy dictates that your company will survive if you make a buck, but if your competitor makes much more, you're in trouble.

Doom sayer, I'm not.

Reality check is what it is.

oops

Oh snap!

Touche', sir... How refreshing it is to get owned in an argument about an obscure topic. GG WP.